Israel: We Are At War

[amenx]

After seeing what Israel has done in the region lately and its extreme hostility towards Iran, I dont blame Iran for trying to acquire a nuke deterrent capability. Esp to defend against a rogue state that is unbound by int'l law and may one day use its own nukes vs Iran.

This was all unnecessary after the JCPOA in 2015. Until Trump took office and was prodded by Israel to dishonor and trash the agreement.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I think, based on other indicators (diplomatic exodus, etc.), it'll be sooner.

Counterpoint: I can't recall anything that he's ever attached the "two weeks" deadline to that ever came to fruition. It's like a running joke with him.

It comes down to not "Two Weeks", it's more like "Too Weak" ... "I have a concept of making a decision, but after two weeks, I might not make one." "I don't even know what I will do"

An American president told a city of 10 million people to evacuate it immediately as he urgently leaves the G7 to fly to DC and then … nothing. Two weeks = "I have no fucking idea" He hopes the European Union works out a cease-fire...which he will then try to take credit for.

Every world leader knows this guy is a clown, but people still treat him as if he isn’t insane and a threat to everyone. Oh, and Biden was old.

Two weeks
Two scoops
Two dolls
Two brain cells

 

[Roger Wilco]

Even if Trump bails, Iran and Israel are just gonna keep bombing the shit out of each other interminably.

Eventually, the cries to protect the holy land will grow deafening.

 

[evident]

I wont shed a tear if the holy land gets flattened... all of those relics from 2000 years ago have caused generations of suffering

 

[Josh128]

Bibi has lied several times since the 90s that Iran was weeks from a bomb. What makes you think he is telling the truth this time?

He launched an all out aerial assault on a country much larger than his own. He hasnt done that before.

 

[Thunder 57]

He launched an all out aerial assault on a country much larger than his own.

Knowing he has the bomb and the US is at his beck and call.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Even if Trump bails, Iran and Israel are just gonna keep bombing the shit out of each other interminably.

Eventually, the cries to protect the holy land will grow deafening.

Well, only if Isreal doesn't accept any peace treaty the EU negotiates, which I would bet 100 percent that they DON'T accept. Not sure how effective they will be if Israel is a wildcard in all this. They seem to be able to dictate foreign policy in the region with little repercussions. Israel cannot afford peace. Peace means allowing media, aid workers, food and communication with the very people that the Israelis are trying very hard to annihilate.

Trump treats foreign affairs like a reality TV show. And sadly, a lot of US voters also treat the White House as a reality TV show. A nation dieting on endless '"reality" TV shows love and live for dysfunctional "real-drama" on TV and in the White House. One of the reasons for ambivalence over Trump, he brings the "clicks". And why Biden's every communication misstep was endlessly discussed, but his deep, thought policy speeches, or many accomplishments, barely registering a blip. Boring and competent is good, but doesn't generate clicks and ratings.

Most of the world is ignoring Donald Trump. He claims "no one knows what I am going to do". This should send chills down every person in the worlds spine. Any military actions require detailed and accurate planning which takes time. Under Trump, America just sits in the corner being "Great Again" while the rest of the world does the adulting. He likes playing The Big Man (the kind who likes to pull the wings off butterflies). When he pulls back, he expects everything to wait on him, or they'll come groveling to him. Trump thinks being stupid is a sign of strength.

#LeadingFromBehind

 

[brycejones]

He launched an all out aerial assault on a country much larger than his own.

Not sure if serious

Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

vs

Israeli Air Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[VRAMdemon]

I wouldn't be surprised if his two Russian assets Tulsi Gabbard and Tucker Carlson have pretty much conveyed to him that Putin wants Trump to stand down. But I think it's virtually impossible for him to resist the temptation to play the "tough guy". He's a mentally ill narcissist.

Iran are buddies with Putin. Maybe Putin told Trump he loves him so much, he doesn't want his end to look like Ghaddafi's... chained, gagged, dragged and stabbed in the ass. I wouldn't be surprised if MBS called him and told him to stand down.

The Iranian people are not about to let the USA install another leader and "nation build". Iran is a patchwork of people living in an iron-fisted theocracy. The revolutionary chaos would be a fucking mess. Even the Kurds don't want us bombing. Those who are oppressed in Iran are trying to overturn this theocracy themselves and bombing the shit out of the country causing a nuclear wasteland won't help their cause. They want this shit to stop.

Once again, Israel is creating the next 75 years of terrorists.

And Trump has no idea what he’s doing.

 

[cytg111]

I wouldn't be surprised if his two Russian assets Tulsi Gabbard and Tucker Carlson have pretty much conveyed to him that Putin wants Trump to stand down. But I think it's virtually impossible for him to resist the temptation to play the "tough guy". He's a mentally ill narcissist.

Iran are buddies with Putin. Maybe Putin told Trump he loves him so much, he doesn't want his end to look like Ghaddafi's... chained, gagged, dragged and stabbed in the ass. I wouldn't be surprised if MBS called him and told him to stand down.

I mean how can this NOT be the case?

 

[amenx]

Btw, I dont think Trump was trying to deceive Iran in his talks with them to lull it off guard for the Israeli strike. I think he genuinely thought he had a chance to achieve something with them. When he told the Israelis not to attack until the talks were concluded, he may have really wished that.

I believe the Israelis attacked to kill off the talks lest they lead to something they wouldnt accept. And Trump not wanting to appear like an impotent fool whose word was ignored by the Israelis tried to associate himself with the attack when it appeared to be successful. Even when Rubio earlier in the day stated the US had nothing to do with Israels attack plan.

So in essence, Trumps post-attack bluster, was merely to save face and not appear like an idiot with zero control over the Israelis.

 

[Josh128]

Not sure if serious

Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

vs

Israeli Air Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I said country, not air force. Why dont you try being serious?

 

[amenx]

I said country, not air force. Why dont you try being serious.

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You left one thing out. Its Israel + USA and all the unlimited support, funding and weapons it provides it vs Iran a country with limited means and sanctions imposed upon it.

 

[Josh128]

You left one thing out. Its Israel + USA and all the unlimited support, funding and weapons it provides it vs Iran a country with limited means and sanctions imposed upon it.

There is no such thing as unlimited support. Trump is already taking heat for suggesting the US may join in. Iran also has the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas that can carry out isolated attacks and increased terrorism in Israel. Israel is already taking casualties and significant infrastructure damage from missile attacks, and thats just 7 days in. Claiming they just did it out of spite with zero evidence doesnt hold much water.

 

[brycejones]

I said country, not air force. Why dont you try being serious?

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Lol, is the land of Iran suddenly going to attack Israel? What matters is deployable military power between the two countries. It’s pretty obvious Israel has more capabilities to do that than Iran does especially given the US support to sell precision strike munitions to Israel.

 

[brycejones]

There is no such thing as unlimited support. Trump is already taking heat for suggesting the US may join in. Iran also has the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas that can carry out isolated attacks and increased terrorism in Israel. Israel is already taking casualties and significant infrastructure damage from missile attacks, and thats just 7 days in. Claiming they just did it out of spite with zero evidence doesnt hold much water.

Surely if the evidence is so damning they would want to share it with the international community to justify their actions.

 

[Artorias]

Once again, Israel is creating the next 75 years of terrorists.

That is precisely the entire point. Peace in the middle east would move a coalition of Muslim/Arab beyond Israel's current economic/military power, they dont want these Arab states to move into the 21st century.

Their whole existence depends on American funding and this never ending war.

 

[Artorias]

Btw, I dont think Trump was trying to deceive Iran in his talks with them to lull it off guard for the Israeli strike. I think he genuinely thought he had a chance to achieve something with them. When he told the Israelis not to attack until the talks were concluded, he may have really wished that.

I believe the Israelis attacked to kill off the talks lest they lead to something they wouldnt accept. And Trump not wanting to appear like an impotent fool whose word was ignored by the Israelis tried to associate himself with the attack when it appeared to be successful. Even when Rubio earlier in the day stated the US had nothing to do with Israels attack plan.

So in essence, Trumps post-attack bluster, was merely to save face and not appear like an idiot with zero control over the Israelis.

If Trump wants to do one good thing before he's dead, and actually remembered for something. It would be invading Israel, and annexing it. That's how you bring peace to the middle east.

 

[you2]

Surely if the evidence is so damning they would want to share it with the international community to justify their actions.

He will claim it will compromise his source which is a catch-all for anytime he won't release information.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

He launched an all out aerial assault on a country much larger than his own. He hasnt done that before.

Because he never had a bloodthirsty lunatic who is dying to nuke Iran backing him up in the US like does now.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Lmao

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Lmao

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Right from the horse's ass' mouth, the US intelligence apparatus is wrong.

 

[Perknose]

Btw, I dont think Trump was trying to deceive Iran in his talks with them to lull it off guard for the Israeli strike. I think he genuinely thought he had a chance to achieve something with them. When he told the Israelis not to attack until the talks were concluded, he may have really wished that.

I believe the Israelis attacked to kill off the talks lest they lead to something they wouldnt accept. And Trump not wanting to appear like an impotent fool whose word was ignored by the Israelis tried to associate himself with the attack when it appeared to be successful. Even when Rubio earlier in the day stated the US had nothing to do with Israels attack plan.

So in essence, Trumps post-attack bluster, was merely to save face and not appear like an idiot with zero control over the Israelis.

Tail wagging the dog.

However I do think the Israelis made sure our interceptors had advance warning, and in the end, Trump was simply too ignorant of the long range consequences to scream at Netanyahu, "N0!"

 

[amenx]

Tail wagging the dog.

However I do think the Israelis made sure our interceptors had advance warning, and in the end, Trump was simply too ignorant of the long range consequences to scream at Netanyahu, "N0!"

Yes, for sure. Trump himself had warned that an attack was coming a day or two before the attack. But I think he could have done nothing to stop it. The Israelis would have ignored him. Like they ignored Bidens numerous calls and warnings to them to stop or wind down their genocide in Gaza.

 

[amenx]

Whats worrisome is Israels capacity to stage a false flag attack. They have operatives in Iran. What if they somehow managed to fire a projectile or hijacked an Iranian mobile missile launcher and fired it on a US base in the region. Their creativity and gall knows no bounds.