Israel: We Are At War

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hal2kilo

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Because he never had a bloodthirsty lunatic who is dying to nuke Iran backing him up in the US like does now.
Plus Fox is pulling out alll of the stops to get this thing going so........ Guess who has more influence on Trump. Right now he's pissed at them because he's feeling the Fox heat to getherdone.
 
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Yes, for sure. Trump himself had warned that an attack was coming a day or two before the attack. But I think he could have done nothing to stop it. The Israelis would have ignored him. Like they ignored Bidens numerous calls and warnings to them to stop or wind down their genocide in Gaza.
Of course if Trump had balls he could have stopped it - very simple. Israel you attack Iran and we will go home and provide no further support.
 

Josh128

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Whats worrisome is Israels capacity to stage a false flag attack. They have operatives in Iran. What if they somehow managed to fire a projectile or hijacked an Iranian mobile missile launcher and fired it on a US base in the region. Their creativity and gall knows no bounds.
Israel is not Russia or North Korea, thats a bit much man.
 

Josh128

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Lol, is the land of Iran suddenly going to attack Israel? What matters is deployable military power between the two countries. It’s pretty obvious Israel has more capabilities to do that than Iran does especially given the US support to sell precision strike munitions to Israel.
50x the population with support from a lot of other Muslim regimes that hate the US and Israel means nothing, I suppose. They just turned Gaza to dust, they are already on many a middle eastern countries shit list. They wouldnt risk this unless they had real evidence, and they said they shared it with Trump and he said they did as well. Are we just living in a make believe world now where nothing Trump or Israel says is true? Because as flawed as they are, that is truly a make-believe take.
 

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50x the population with support from a lot of other Muslim regimes that hate the US and Israel means nothing, I suppose. They just turned Gaza to dust, they are already on many a middle eastern countries shit list. They wouldnt risk this unless they had real evidence, and they said they shared it with Trump and he said they did as well. Are we just living in a make believe world now where nothing Trump or Israel says is true? Because as flawed as they are, that is truly a make-believe take.
If you believe this with all of the evidence going back all the way to 1990s. I feel for you.
 

KMFJD

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Israel is not Russia or North Korea, thats a bit much man.
they've done it before


The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers.
 
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Israel is not Russia or North Korea, thats a bit much man.
I think you are only familiar with the sanitized version of Israel fed to you by Faux News and other Zio-controlled MSM outlets.

The Israelis were never the good guys since their founding in 1948. They cost the US literally $trillions whether through direct aid or through wars they initiated. Other "bad guys" in the ME are/were mostly resistance movements to Israeli actions (Hezbollah, Hamas) whom would never existed if not for Israel occupation and oppression of their people.

Israel has a record of screwing the US so badly in terms of its strategic interests, global credibility, political control of congress, senators whom are basically made or destroyed through AIPAC funding, lobbying and even deliberately attacking US targets and killing servicemen if it served their interests in some way or another... and with virtual impunity!

 
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pmv

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How many scientists and academics has Israel assassinated/murdered in the past 10 years?

Anyone have a count?

It goes back much further than 10 years. The case that really made me shudder, with regard to the absolute ruthlessness of the Israelis, was the one where they also killed an entirely accidentally involved bystander (a woman, who I think may have been a sex worker, who witnessed the assassination of the intended target) in order to cover up the assassination of an Egyptian nuclear expert.

I mean, much of this seems to have started with going after dodgy Germans including former Nazis* . Seems like an example of noble-cause ruthlessness sliding into something more questionable. Either way, it's terrifying.


*[Edit] - and, to be honest, I can't help but think anyone who gets involved in actively helping human-rights-abusing despotic regimes develop nuclear weapons probably has to be aware that they are making themselves targets...but it's the "collateral damage" like that woman, or the waiter who was accidentally murdered in the campaign to eliminate the Black September lot, that really emphasises the ruthlessness of it all.
 
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50x the population


Huh?

Israel's population 10 million
Iran's population 90 million.

Iran is certainly a much larger country (and also much larger than Iraq, which is why the US going to war with it is likely to turn out even worse than the Iraq war), but since when did 50x10 equal 90?
 

K1052

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Huh?

Israel's population 10 million
Iran's population 90 million.

Iran is certainly a much larger country (and also much larger than Iraq, which is why the US going to war with it is likely to turn out even worse than the Iraq war), but since when did 50x10 equal 90?

Iran is not only larger geographically and in population but the topography is an absolute fucking nightmare for any invading army. Going in there is nothing like going into Iraq at all. Which is why regime change will likely only be attempted from the air...and I'm really dubious it will work. Even if they kill the Ayatollah they'll most likely just replace him.
 
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Iran is not only larger geographically and in population but the topography is an absolute fucking nightmare for any invading army. Going in there is nothing like going into Iraq at all. Which is why regime change will likely only be attempted from the air...and I'm really dubious it will work. Even if they kill the Ayatollah they'll most likely just replace him.
Ayup. It's called the graveyard of empires for a reason.
 

pmv

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Ayup. It's called the graveyard of empires for a reason.

I thought that was Afghanistan? (saw off the British, the Russians, and the US).

Given that Vietnam defeated the Mongol Hordes, the US, and China, I wonder how a fantasy global conflict match-up between Vietnam and Afghanistan would turn out? I assume it would depend entirely on who had home-ground advantage?
 

Perknose

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Correct, though Iran presents many of the same complications as Afghanistan does for an invader. And has 50M more people.
Except for geography. Afghanistan is like Switzerland, protected by its hilly, mountainous terrain from being easily overrun . . . or even governed.
 

Josh128

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Huh?

Israel's population 10 million
Iran's population 90 million.

Iran is certainly a much larger country (and also much larger than Iraq, which is why the US going to war with it is likely to turn out even worse than the Iraq war), but since when did 50x10 equal 90?
My mistake. Its still approximately the ratio of the us vs Peru.
 

Josh128

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Iran is not only larger geographically and in population but the topography is an absolute fucking nightmare for any invading army. Going in there is nothing like going into Iraq at all. Which is why regime change will likely only be attempted from the air...and I'm really dubious it will work. Even if they kill the Ayatollah they'll most likely just replace him.
Agree 100%. Military driven "regime change" from outside simply doesnt work unless the initiating country invades and massively dilutes or displaces the native population, or there is a very large internal desire by the populous for it to happen and outside military action is just a catalyst for what is already brewing.

See:
Vietnam
Afghanistan
 
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