Israel: We Are At War

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IronWing

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Neither party wants this restraint on the office of POTUS. You can clearly say that the Obama strikes in Libya in 2011 also had the absence of a clear direct threat to the country or its people. The only way to restrain the war making powers of the Executive branch would be with a Constitutional Amendment which isn't going to happen.
Or for Congress to step up to rein in the clearly unlawful conduct of the Presidents. We don’t need an amendment to add language that is already in the Constitution. We need to elect Congress critters who are willing to do their damn jobs.
 

Brovane

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Or for Congress to step up to rein in the clearly unlawful conduct of the Presidents. We don’t need an amendment to add language that is already in the Constitution. We need to elect Congress critters who are willing to do their damn jobs.

You keep claiming the conduct is "clearly unlawful" when it isn't.
 

fskimospy

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You keep claiming the conduct is "clearly unlawful" when it isn't.
I don't think there is a need for a constitutional amendment, again this is all just political infighting between the branches.

Congress could easily say 'next time you employe the military without asking us you will be removed from office' and then do it. They won't do it because of institutional cowardice but they could if they wanted to using their existing powers.
 

Brovane

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I don't think there is a need for a constitutional amendment, again this is all just political infighting between the branches.

Congress could easily say 'next time you employe the military without asking us you will be removed from office' and then do it. They won't do it because of institutional cowardice but they could if they wanted to using their existing powers.

So if a Houthis rocket hits a US warship in the Red Sea, you would want the President to wait for Congressional vote before allowing a US response?
 

fskimospy

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So if a Houthis rocket hits a US warship in the Red Sea, you would want the President to wait for Congressional vote before allowing a US response?
All I'm saying is that Congress has the authority, today, to make that the standard if they so choose and don't need any additional authority. They could also choose any other standard they want which could encompass defensive actions.

A constitutional amendment wouldn't help because Congress isn't using the authority they already have.
 
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cytg111

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You want a dynamic government where the rules change based on public whim. I want no such thing.
The idea that ten million stupid people will make better decisions than one stupid person has no basis in reality.
Of all the dum shit... Oh you fucking illiterate buffoon.

Guess who bought the "I'd rather be a Russian than American" shirt. Holy fucks.
 
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cytg111

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If you do maths which you dont you will find that the countries with the most personal freedoms and rights be countries with no fucking kings, itd be countries with elected governments by the people of the people for the people.

You fucking moron.
 

HomerJS

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So if a Houthis rocket hits a US warship in the Red Sea, you would want the President to wait for Congressional vote before allowing a US response?
That scenario is already covered by the War Powers Act.

“The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.”

None of it applies to the US bombing Iran
 
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GodisanAtheist

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So are we taking odds on whether Iran conducts a nuclear weapons test before the year is out?

At this point, not building a bomb seems to be going pretty poorly for them...
 

Muse

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We currently have a government based on the whim of a lunatic President making shit up as he goes.
And we appear to be powerless to do anything about it. A parliamentary government would allow a vote of confidence shortcut to new leadership as you see elsewhere among major democracies.
 

Brovane

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All I'm saying is that Congress has the authority, today, to make that the standard if they so choose and don't need any additional authority. They could also choose any other standard they want which could encompass defensive actions.

A constitutional amendment wouldn't help because Congress isn't using the authority they already have.

You assume that Congress has the Constitutional authority to prevent the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces from Deploying troops as necessary to protect national interest.
 
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You assume that Congress has the Constitutional authority to prevent the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces from Deploying troops as necessary to protect national interest.
Congress does have that power. They could cut the Pentagon's budget to 0 and disband the army tomorrow.

Some nebulous "national interest" exemption to Congressional authorization was definitely not in line with anyone's ideas about use of force when the Constitution was written, and we don't have to pretend that it exists.
 

fskimospy

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You assume that Congress has the Constitutional authority to prevent the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces from Deploying troops as necessary to protect national interest.
100%.

They can remove him for any reason or no reason at all. Well I guess they have to introduce articles of impeachment and they usually give a reason but to the best of my knowledge there is no requirement to give one. They could say they don't like that he can't wear a tie properly and remove him.
 

fskimospy

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Congress does have that power. They could cut the Pentagon's budget to 0 and disband the army tomorrow.

Some nebulous "national interest" exemption to Congressional authorization was definitely not in line with anyone's ideas about use of force when the Constitution was written, and we don't have to pretend that it exists.
More importantly they have the unreviewable power to remove the president at any time.
 
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