Israel: We Are At War

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Josh128

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Like @brycejones posted, the 300 ft necessary for the main corridors was public knowledge. Heck, here is an article from several days before the attack. https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/17/middleeast/iran-fordow-nuclear-site-latam-hnk-intl "Its main halls are an estimated 80 to 90 meters (around 262 to 295 feet) beneath the ground"

Or there is this even earlier article, that puts them up to 360 feet below ground. https://www.csis.org/analysis/three-things-will-determine-irans-nuclear-future-fordow-just-one-them "Fordow is believed to be buried 80–110 meters underground, near Qom, and was built to withstand airstrikes."

Here is an article from 3.5 years ago: https://apnews.com/article/europe-m...iran-nuclear-dd40e4a610c2f35aff25353bbcf3a91c "But burying the facility under some 80 meters (260 feet) of dirt and rock while not informing international inspectors as required only heightened Western concerns."

Basically, to answer your question, how do I have better info? For starters, I can read.

Then, according to my Persian coworkers, triple that depth for the deepest corridors. Take their comments with a grain of salt though, since that could very well be internal Iranian TV propaganda.
US and Israeli intelligence do a lot more than just "read", before they decide to fly a several hundred million dollar top secret mission around the world.
 

brycejones

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US and Israeli intelligence do a lot more than just "read", before they decide to fly a several hundred million dollar top secret mission around the world.

Yes they are unbelievably awesome at their jobs, it’s why the Israelis were blindsided by October 7th, and we found so many WMDs in Iraq in 2003. As just a couple of examples.

Earlier I posted a story from NPR that raises questions about how deep the MOP can actually penetrate rock like the site they were used at.

To be honest though it will be a long time before we definitively know one way or the other.
 

Muse

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Yes they are unbelievably awesome at their jobs, it’s why the Israelis were blindsided by October 7th, and we found so many WMDs in Iraq in 2003. As just a couple of examples.

Earlier I posted a story from NPR that raises questions about how deep the MOP can actually penetrate rock like the site they were used at.

To be honest though it will be a long time before we definitively know one way or the other.
I doubt Iran knows yet.
 

dullard

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US and Israeli intelligence do a lot more than just "read", before they decide to fly a several hundred million dollar top secret mission around the world.
Exactly, they also listen to a man with no knowledge or evidence but he proclaims to know the truth.
 

alien42

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amenx

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You actually believe Trump's hand picked sycophants? lol, silly boy.
I think he's too young to remember the lead up to the Iraq war and how stellar US and Israeli intel were on that. Regardless of that, any intel services (most of all the Israelis) routinely use disinformation to influence events in line with the policies of the ruling govt at the time.
 
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amenx

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Not sure how determined the Iranians will be to get nuke capability, but one thing they will do is rebuild, re-stock and improve their MRBM systems. They've shown they can be a formidable deterrent on its own.

 

linkgoron

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Yes they are unbelievably awesome at their jobs, it’s why the Israelis were blindsided by October 7th, and we found so many WMDs in Iraq in 2003. As just a couple of examples.

Earlier I posted a story from NPR that raises questions about how deep the MOP can actually penetrate rock like the site they were used at.

To be honest though it will be a long time before we definitively know one way or the other.
October 7th info was there. Netanyahu's declared policy of letting Hamas grow as competition for the PA (including funneling money), as well as Hubris, and his coalition that is more intent on occupying the West Bank led to Gaza being treated as an afterthought and it seeped into the Military ranks.

I also agree that I would not trust Netanyahu's intel claims about Iran, unless they publicize it. He has made similar claims again Sadam and we've all seen how that turned out


In general though, it's quite clear that Trump would say how awesome the military strikes were no matter what. They might have been, of course, but I'm not sure if anyone knows how much damage was done. Iran also has a lot of time to move things around and prepare for an attack.
 

KMFJD

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Not sure how determined the Iranians will be to get nuke capability, but one thing they will do is rebuild, re-stock and improve their MRBM systems. They've shown they can be a formidable deterrent on its own.

If they do get nukes they wont be able to retaliate with BM since every launch could be a possible nuke...looks like they did a lot of damage with the conventional warheads though and there's not much that can stop the fast ones from getting through their protective 'shield'
 

Pens1566

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Watching LT Whiskey Pete's press conference this morning ... he sure is trying really hard to keep his job. Basically just yelling at the press over and over.

Nice propaganda video of a GBU57 test that blows up after penetrating 15-20 ft of dirt into a tunnel though ...

Meanwhile, Iran's HEU is in a different location than it was 2 weeks ago.
 

KMFJD

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Another day, more attrocities by israel

~More than 100 Palestinians were killed Wednesday across the Gaza Strip in Israeli attacks that struck civilians waiting for food aid, residential homes, and refugee camps, according to medical sources cited by Anadolu Agency and Wafa. Hundreds more were wounded.
 
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