Only 31% of Americans want an EV or PHEV. What about you?

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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I test-drove a Bolt a few months back. It felt not much different than my peppy but old Focus. I've heard that the Bolt is one of the least peppy EVs and that if you try a better one you'll be spoiled for the Bolt.


Subaru had the Crosstrek PHEV, but they're phasing it out.
Bolt is peppier than my Subarus, so it's fine with me. Bolt is definitely a commuter cars, but after the tax credit it'll be 22.5k, so it's priced right.

There are rumors that Subaru is going to use the Toyota hybrid system on the Forester in 2025. Their original hybrid attempt cost way too much for too little improvement.
 
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BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Back in May we went to Tacoma to look at a Hyundai Ionic 5. Not a bad vehicle, but seemed/felt cheaply built. We couldn't come to terms for my F150 trade, so we left. Went to Volvo to look at one of their electric SUVs...I couldn't get through the door of the car...so we left.
MOST of our driving is short distances, so electric would work for us. The local electrical contractor told us it would cost $1500+ to install a level 2 charger.
 
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We're a one car household, with limited access to home charging, and unclear charging situations when we might move in 2025. Thus, with this in mind (and some of the day trips/longer trips we've had to make by car), we just got an Elantra Hybrid last year. 50+ mpg highway and city, so gas costs are minimal.

But I could see getting an electric in the future, if we ever needed to move beyond 1 car (though, happy to stick to one and use all that money I save elsewhere).
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Back in May we went to Tacoma to look at a Hyundai Ionic 5. Not a bad vehicle, but seemed/felt cheaply built. We couldn't come to terma for my F150 trade, so we left. Went to Bolvo to look at one of their electric SUVs...I couldn't get through the door of the car...so we left.
MOST of our driving is short distances, so electric would work for us. The local electrical contractor told us it would cost $1500+ to install a level 2 charger.
Chevy will install a plug for free. But I just estimated how much it would do myself about it'd be about $500 in materials to get a line across the garage.
 

pete6032

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Dec 3, 2010
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My electric panel is full at the moment. Can't imagine what it would cost me to get an L2 charger wired out to my detatched garage.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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My electric panel is full at the moment. Can't imagine what it would cost me to get an L2 charger wired out to my detatched garage.
The Chevy dealer includes running to a detached garage. You can also get tandem circuit breakers that use one hole for 2 120V circuits. They are basically two circuit breakers in one. This can free up space in your panel.

 
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Brovane

Diamond Member
Dec 18, 2001
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Purchased my first EV at the end of 2015 (2015 Nissan Leaf). Only had 80-mile range but was the perfect car for running errands around Orange County CA. Traded that in and got a new Leaf in 2019. This one had a 200-mile range. Still have that car. It is the main car for our family. Own a Honda Pilot and my daughter has a Hyundai Elantra. Looking at possibly purchasing a new car in 2024 and it will be a BEV. We have charging in our garage and also have a solar system so charging the car is relatively cheap for us.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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I'd love to get one of the updated mini Cooper EVs with a 200+ mile range.

I guess people are just resistant to change. I was talking to a kid in my fencing class about cars, and I told him to get a Prius. Which of course, is not a cool car for a high schooler. But I promised him that paying a lot less in total gas costs than his friends will be very, very cool, haha.
 

Viper GTS

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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I am currently 100% BEV with three in the household. I will not consider anything other than BEVs for daily driver roles, and have been ICE free since last year. Zero regrets.

The only thing with an ICE that tempts me right now is the E-ray, if I don’t end up buying one of these there’s a good chance I will never own another ICE vehicle.

Viper GTS
 
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I'd love to get one of the updated mini Cooper EVs with a 200+ mile range.

I guess people are just resistant to change. I was talking to a kid in my fencing class about cars, and I told him to get a Prius. Which of course, is not a cool car for a high schooler. But I promised him that paying a lot less in total gas costs than his friends will be very, very cool, haha.
I remember the days when a HSer would be happy to have any functioning car to drive on their own.
 

Stopsignhank

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Our next car will be an EV. We already have a PHEV and have solar so it seems right to take the next step for a full EV. Plus we are in SoCal and I think the infrastructure here is better than in other parts of the country.

Right now we have a 2016 C300 and a 2018 535e (PHEV). My wife has talked about getting an EV for our next new car, but we are not done driving these yet. Yesterday she walked in and said "I really like our cars". She drives the C300 and it is zippy and a lot of fun to drive.

My last job was about 18 miles round trip and I could get 15 miles from the 535e on a charge. So I would go about 800 miles on a tank of gas. That was nice. I have had a couple of neighbors ask me how i like the PHEV so maybe I have convinced a couple people here to make the switch.
 
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manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Purchased my first EV at the end of 2015 (2015 Nissan Leaf). Only had 80-mile range but was the perfect car for running errands around Orange County CA. Traded that in and got a new Leaf in 2019. This one had a 200-mile range. Still have that car. It is the main car for our family. Own a Honda Pilot and my daughter has a Hyundai Elantra. Looking at possibly purchasing a new car in 2024 and it will be a BEV. We have charging in our garage and also have a solar system so charging the car is relatively cheap for us.
How do you ever merge onto highways without a sub 5s 0-60? Must be rough having a family car with merely 200 miles of range!

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I'd love to get one of the updated mini Cooper EVs with a 200+ mile range.

I guess people are just resistant to change. I was talking to a kid in my fencing class about cars, and I told him to get a Prius. Which of course, is not a cool car for a high schooler. But I promised him that paying a lot less in total gas costs than his friends will be very, very cool, haha.
Most of the early BEV adopters were environmentalist types, i.e. progressives. That started to shift until the likes of Donald J. Trump inserted culture war nonsense and convinced MAGAts that BEVs are too "woke" for America. So now you have a lot of Americans who swear they'll never ever get a BEV.
 
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Red Squirrel

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I want an EV just not at the crazy prices they're asking. What would be great is a basic work truck that's electric, but even the gas trucks now are not proper trucks, so doubt we'll ever see that.
 
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nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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I don't have specific plans to buy another automobile ever. Definitely wouldn't want to replace my diesel station wagon, and I would definitely be on board with a reasonably-priced EV conversion for my '92 Miata.
I believe WA is offering a tax credit on e-bikes next year, so I'll probably take advantage of that though.
They are fixed gear ratios, a transmission would just make it slower, heavier, and less efficient. Transmissions exist to correct the terrible torque curves of ICE.
Not everything is about being 100% efficient, some things you do for enjoyment. One pedal driving sounds very dull to me.
 
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Zorba

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Oct 22, 1999
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Not everything is about being 100% efficient, some things you do for enjoyment. One pedal driving sounds very dull to me.
Why add inefficiency, add complexity, and decrease acceleration just to mimic a device that only existed due to limitations of an internal combustion engine? If you want to lurch five times while you go from 0 to 60 just let off the accelerator for a split second.

I get taking a manual over an auto, but that isn't what's going on with an EV.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
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Why add inefficiency, add complexity, and decrease acceleration just to mimic a device that only existed due to limitations of an internal combustion engine? If you want to lurch five times while you go from 0 to 60 just let off the accelerator for a split second.
Fahrvergnügen.
You're simplifying the operation of a manual quite a bit there (and who shifts 5 times to get to 60, are you driving a shitbox from 1981?)
Why do we eat lavish meals when we could simply ingest Soylent or Huel? That would be more efficient. All that time wasted chewing.
I get taking a manual over an auto, but that isn't what's going on with an EV.
Do you, though?
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Fahrvergnügen.
You're simplifying the operation of a manual quite a bit there (and who shifts 5 times to get to 60, are you driving a shitbox from 1981?)
Why do we eat lavish meals when we could simply ingest Soylent or Huel? That would be more efficient. All that time wasted chewing.

Do you, though?
How am I simplifying the operation of a manual? The entire point is match the wheel speed to an engine speed that is stable and produces high torque/power or high efficiency depending on if you are accelerating or cruising.

I do enjoy driving manuals, but at the end of day it's a function due to limitations of internal combustion engines.

I think most 5 speeds cruise in 5th gear at 60. But I was being facetious. I did learn stick on an F450 and a box van, though.

ETA: I guess it would be 4 lurches with a 5 speed.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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How am I simplifying the operation of a manual? The entire point is match the wheel speed to an engine speed that is stable and produces high torque/power or high efficiency depending on if you are accelerating or cruising.

I do enjoy driving manuals, but at the end of day it's a function due to limitations of internal combustion engines.

I think most 5 speeds cruise in 5th gear at 60. But I was being facetious. I did learn stick on an F450 and a box van, though.

ETA: I guess it would be 4 lurches with a 5 speed.
You're still missing the ultimate point here, automatics, to my knowledge, have been better than manuals for most situations for a few years now. There's a reason they're relegated to enthusiasts.
Again, if we're just after brute force efficiency and not pleasure, why not skip all that tedious chewing and just chug Soylent when we require sustenance? Because we enjoy savoring the taste of food, the textures, the smells. To me, driving a manual is much the same thing. There's tactile feelings from the vehicle, the shifter, the pedals, the anticipation of when you should shift specifically.
 
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repoman0

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Lol at “five lurches” to 60. If you don’t hit 60 in second or third you are doing it wrong and have missed the point. Buy an automatic.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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You're still missing the ultimate point here, automatics, to my knowledge, have been better than manuals for most situations for a few years now. There's a reason they're relegated to enthusiasts.
Again, if we're just after brute force efficiency and not pleasure, why not skip all that tedious chewing and just chug Soylent when we require sustenance? Because we enjoy savoring the taste of food, the textures, the smells. To me, driving a manual is much the same thing. There's tactile feelings from the vehicle, the shifter, the pedals, the anticipation of when you should shift specifically.
Yeah, but in an EV that would all be completely fake. The trade for no transmission is much higher performance with a much better acceleration curve, as well. It's like eating a tender steak that doesn't require chewing.
 
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skyking

Lifer
Nov 21, 2001
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Our current situation: (see what I did there)
Wife has a 2019 Tiguan Premium. She really likes it, and is a hard sell for a new EV.
I drive an 03 TDI Beetle that gets about 44 MPG on average and owes me nothing. IT is a hard sell for moving to an EV for me. I do take it on 400 mile one way trips across the state several times a year.
Car 3 is a 3500 Ram with Cummins diesel and tows the ~8500 pound travel trailer. There is no EV for that duty.
That said, when we get established in our retirement situation in a year, I could definitely entertain shitcanning the Beetle for an old Leaf with 60 miles of range. That would be a minimum but it would take care of 99% of our local runs. I can take the truck for those long hauls.
Wife might go for a new PHEV if we started test driving them.

Oh and hey piss off Zorba. Both my diesels are manuals
 
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