Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

[Ranulf]

Lol... this kind of "events" were quite expected, as well as their headliners

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Video link starting at 12m30s (tho segment starts at 11m):

"'What do you mean again?' Crickets"

 

[insertcarehere]

Video link starting at 12m30s (tho segment starts at 11m):

"'What do you mean again?' Crickets"

Ah, MLID, who has such a great track record that he's deleted many old videos in which he was proven egregiously wrong in hindsight.

Idk whether the Digital Foundry journalist has great sources, but MLID indirectly denying it only makes those sources more credible..

 

[PJVol]

Sorry, I can see how it was unclear now. Do you think Digital Foundry is lying?

Yes, now I see. I didn't see the tweet (it's ip-blocked), but I did read about it in the comments on the YT video above.

Well, for me it's not the question of which one is lying, rather what source I can trust in more, and in the world I live in the reputation is what matters most in such cases, so if you aren't 10 years old you will probably agree that knowing the PR track record of both companies (nv and amd), the balance of trust is heavily not in favor of Nvidia side.

 

[BFG10K]

Ah, MLID, who has such a great track record that he's deleted many old videos in which he was proven egregiously wrong in hindsight.

Actually he does have a pretty good track record. He correctly predicted 7600 pricing and the recent 4060TI price drop.

Also unlike DigitalFoundry, he doesn't receive free gifts hardware from NV.

 

[BFG10K]

Do you think he’s lying about it?

Not lying per-se, but DF are NV shills. I'm not just throwing around that term because I'm offended when AMD does badly. AMD should be roasted in those cases. But because DF are literal NV shills. NV provides them the gift of "early access sneak peaks" and they jump like a little lapdog.

Back in the day when NV gave them FCAT, they were championing consistent framerate and were deeply concerned with exposing AMD's issues. Now in the other thread we have 25 different games where 8GB crashes & burns, yet not a peep out of DF about it. Where's DF's "deep dive" exposing NV's 8GB problem and the horrific frame times and/or image quality issues it causes?

Nah, instead they continue to shill ray tracing and DLSS3 which ironically exposes the VRAM issue even more.

Also when they got gifted the 3080 as an "early access sneak peak" they benchmarked Doom Eternal with maximum textures to inflate the performance gap between the 8GB 2080, like their NV handlers wanted. But when maximum textures became a problem for the 3070 8GB, suddenly shill Alex was running around Twitter claiming there's no good reason to use the setting and telling the "children to settle down".

Then darling John ran his mouth off against Hogwart's Legacy in a tweet he deleted, literally stating he doesn't like open world games:

Spoiler

And what a surprise, no extensive 8GB testing exposing NV was done as a result. But now he's gushing over Starfield in his most recent video. I mean, what happened there, John? You change your mind about open world games in the last 6 months?

 

[insertcarehere]

Actually he does have a pretty good track record. He correctly predicted 7600 pricing and the recent 4060TI price drop.

Also unlike DigitalFoundry, he doesn't receive free gifts hardware from NV.

You were saying?

 

[sniffin]

I’m sort of over it. I’ve seen the futility of the argument. Short of AMD coming out in an official press release admitting it - nobody will believe it. Even if it was confirmed by AMD the goalposts will just move and it’ll be about how blocking DLSS is okay.

Don't bother mate. When you've got people choosing to believe MLID of all people over John Linneman you're better off finding somewhere else to discuss GPUs.

 

[BFG10K]

You were saying?

LOL, wut? It literally says on every slide:

Also can you wrap spoiler tags around that? Nobody wants to see a two full pages of images when they scroll. Basic internet etiquette, yo.

 

[insertcarehere]

LOL, wut? It literally says on every slide:

Also can you wrap spoilers tags around that? Nobody wants to see a two full pages of images when they scroll. Basic internet etiquette, yo.

"All sources state that Navi 33 (N33) is a monolithic 6nm die that was designed to bring Navi 21 (N21) performance to midrange die sizes and BOM costs."

"Navi 33 Specifications:
- 1x 6nm monolithic die within 360mm-460mm2
- 128MB of infinity cache
- 8GB of GDDR6 over a 128bit bus
- RX 6900 XT rasterization performance
- Ray tracing is expected to be a much larger increase than the rasterization increase
- 180-230w power consumption"

"Multiple AMD Engineers note that they are 100 % confident that RDNA 3 will decimate Nvidia in efficiency across the entire lineup."

"At this point almost all sources indicate to be that Navi 31 is 3D stacked, and Navi 32 is multi-die, if not 3D stacked."
"Navi 31:
- 100% multiple dies - 3D stacked 5nm compute dies, 6nm I/O + compute dies
- 512 MB infinity cache with a 256bit memory controller via at least one "MCD"."

All these statements above were labeled High/Very High Confidence, were dated well after RDNA 3 die configurations should have been finalized (early 2022), and nearly all of them were horrendously off target.

Not to mention a well-established track record of deleting old videos where he ended up being wrong..

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But yeah, I am sure MLID has a good track record just because you say so..

 

[PJVol]

Don't bother mate. When you've got people choosing to believe MLID of all people over John Linneman you're better off finding somewhere else to discuss GPUs.

Yeah, you're right. AT forum is (thankfully) not the best place to practice "soliciting opinion" tricks and there's a good chance it "just works" somewhere else.

 

[coercitiv]

LOL, wut? It literally says on every slide:

You chose the wrong hill this time, MLID is known for making outlandish claims only to adjust them on the fly when reality hits hard. He's also known to delete videos to sanitize his track record.

The man is as slippery as they come, he's gonna fake it until he makes it or... otherwise.

 

[Ranulf]

Don't bother mate. When you've got people choosing to believe MLID of all people over John Linneman you're better off finding somewhere else to discuss GPUs.

I hardly need MLID to confirm what I thought was already possible given what scant information we had on this besides theories based on dlss/fsr game support lists. I could say the same for John Linneman or more specifically DF's reputation of favoring Nvidia in all things and ways possible. Apparently many people in the tech world don't think about game development costs or publishers being cheap to maximize profits.

All for a Bethesda game that usually doesn't "just work" despite Todd's protestations.

 

[A///]

Personally I find John to be insufferable and I'm far from being an AMD fan.

 

[PJVol]

MLID is known for making outlandish claims only to adjust them on the fly when reality hits hard. He's also known to delete videos to sanitize his track record.

I agree, deleting old videos/posts is unfair to the audience, but isn't it widespread among influencers today (like just deleted DF tweet mentioned above)?
Aside from that, two things:
a) you probably agree, that making no mistakes means doing nothing?
b) those "leakers" are IMHO fully aware of reputational risks associated to "a", and repeatedly warn people how their "leaks" are to be taken.

To be clear, I'm just against the selective approach in blaming anyone when it fits your viewpoint conveniently.

 

[coercitiv]

a) you probably agree, that making no mistakes means doing nothing?

Sure, let's "leak" something, if it turns out to be a mistake... we'll delete the video anyway! The DF employee deleted a tweet, now everything is fair game! /s

 

[PJVol]

Sure, let's "leak" something, if it turns out to be a mistake... we'll delete the video anyway! The DF employee deleted a tweet, now everything is fair game! /s

Yeah, that's basically it )) /s

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Personally I find John to be insufferable and I'm far from being an AMD fan.

If you don't like his retro content, there is no way we'd get along IRL.

On John's deleted tweet: There's a reason hearsay isn't admissible evidence. These devs have to go on record by name and job title for the claim to carry any weight. Otherwise it just looks like yet another disinformation campaign being waged.

And let me be explicitly clear: I started posting in this thread by stating it is possible, even probable AMD paid for exclusivity. What of it? For the nth time. It is a common practice in this industry.

Don't like that your favorite vendor is getting shafted? You should email them, hit up customer support, blow up their social media accounts. Let them know how upset you are they didn't ante up to make certain you could enjoy the those proprietary features they push so hard. Because telling us here is pointless and worthless.

 

[A///]

If you don't like his retro content, there is no way we'd get along IRL.

My issue with John is his past remarks and diludes into the most mundane. My issue with DF has always been they've been NVidia fanboys. My personal preferences for hardware set aside, I don't really like any brand or reviewer who has a bias towards my favorite or least favorite vendors. My 2c on the matter.

I think we have our signals crossed here. AMD or Nvidia paying for optimisation is not something I care about. It's fair game for any brand to do it. It's a free country. What I don't find particularily interesting by the community is the uproar about it, and this is where you and I seem to align like two peas in a pod on.

Or I'm old and bitter.

 

[moinmoin]

Starfield literally released today (heck anyone without the premium versions can't play it yet) and there's already a free mod adding DLSS/XESS integration here, so unless modders have time machines it indeed is something that can be done in a matter of hours..

The updated mod with Frame Generation support is locked behind a paywall and uses DRM to prevent it being pirated.

Mods with DRMs for a game without DRM.

LOL

 

[BFG10K]

Starfield literally released today (heck anyone without the premium versions can't play it yet) and there's already a free mod adding DLSS/XESS integration here, so unless modders have time machines it indeed is something that can be done in a matter of hours..

Except it doesn't work properly.

 

[Leon]

Except it doesn't work properly.

That's Frame Generation. DLSS 2 mod is free, it works fine and greatly improves IQ and image stability over FSR 2, especially in motion. In fact, its the most popular Starfield mod on Nexus. Free DLSS 3 Frame Gen is also available now, though might take some time to work out the kinks.

Starfield Frame Generation - Replacing FSR2 with DLSS-G

Replaces the built-in version of FSR2 with DLSS3 + DLSS-G to enable Frame Generation.

www.nexusmods.com

 

[insertcarehere]

Except it doesn't work properly.

HWUB was talking about the DLSS 3 implementation (it doesn't help that native framerates are trash) when my link was on the DLSS 2 implementation available on Day 1.

Mods which don't work and/or aren't desired do not get 228k downloads within 4 days of launch...

 

[moinmoin]

Mods which don't work and/or aren't desired do not get 228k downloads within 4 days of launch...

The amount of endorsements seems really low though. Looking at other popular mods at nexusmods the number of endorsements usually seems to be closer to 1/10th of the downloads than to 1/100th like here.

 

[Hitman928]

The amount of endorsements seems really low though. Looking at other popular mods at nexusmods the number of endorsements usually seems to be closer to 1/10th of the downloads than to 1/100th like here.

Lots of people having issues with it in the comments section though who knows how much is user error. Ultra wide resolutions are also not supported.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I posted the following in a less relevant thread. It belonged here -

Jedi Survivor adds official DLSS support

https://www.ea.com/games/starwars/jedi/jedi-survivor/patch-notes?isLocalized=true

I guess the usual suspects will have to move the goalpost from blocking, to timed exclusive, depending on which games get DLSS and how long it takes?