I do believe quite a few. I find Kepler, Xino etc to credible and I wait and hope for things they say come to pass
But my belief != fact.
I believe that I will successful in my career. This does not mean that I am until things are unfolding before me.
I also have a soft spot for AMD, I bought a lot of AMD shares in 2017 (between 9 and 11 USD each) , little did I know they will grow this big. I have no more AMD shares, already cashed out.
This does not mean I crap on everything else.
I created this account exactly one week before I received my first Zen CPU. I knew there is potential with Zen, I invested in AMD stocks, pre ordered the CPU and got excited about it. Only thing is that if I waited long enough before cashing out, I could be planning my retirement right now. But one thing I dont like is how this forum evolved.
Stilt was active back then and folks like Dresden Boy, retired engineer, etc, putting out rich technical posts.
Now it is an echo chamber for wannabe leakers.
Space getting too demanding for enthusiasts to write on it in a digestible way, I guess?I do think the fact that the front page no longer really attracts the technically minded due to the lack of deep dives that Anand was fantastic at does contribute somewhat but aside from Chips n Cheese and a few people over at the various substack pages nobody really does deep dives into architectures anymore
You will be the first to know the moment i hold one in my dirty hands :-DOK, just promise not to be dishonest/hypocritical and not report buying a Zen 5 at launch and silently using it for 6 months before telling us here
I have noticed this too- that the quality of technical discussion has declined in recent years, especially in places like r/hardware. I don't know about this forum, but I assume it's true here as well. I think a large part of the reason is that indeed, we do not have likes Anand, Andrei or Ian anymore, putting out high quality articles that even the average techie can understand.I do think the fact that the front page no longer really attracts the technically minded due to the lack of deep dives that Anand was fantastic at does contribute somewhat but aside from Chips n Cheese and a few people over at the various substack pages nobody really does deep dives into architectures anymore so you end up being left with commits or some patents or whitepapers with which to get into the technicals and without an Anand to take that + speaking to the design teams to present that in an understandable way it is rather hard to get into
In universe, where most people are not computer enthusiasts like us buying the latest stuff just for the sake of it (within certain budget or not).It kinda is. You're just trying to justified your own bias. In what universe is 40% not considered a large jump?
It is a rehash of the RGT "leak".AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU tested: Zen 5 chip is 46% faster in Cinebench R24 than Ryzen 9 7950X
AMD's next-generation Zen 5-powered Ryzen 9 9950X processor: 16-core, 32-thread Zen 5 chip is 46% faster in multi-threaded Cinebench R24 benchmark.www.tweaktown.com
More rumours.
You're skirting around the question. If you don't consider 40% ipc uplift impressive, then what will ? You're not arguing in good faith.In universe, where most people are not computer enthusiasts like us buying the latest stuff just for the sake of it (within certain budget or not).
I am pretty sure random person not interested in computer hardware, would upon week of using computer with Zen4 and Zen5 for tasks random non-hardware enthusiast people use computers, would be not able to tell the difference. Good luck convincing these people they need to pay significant extra for something they cant even perceive for the most part.
I can only speak for myself. And for the past 5-6 years the enthusiasm for technology is dwindling in me. I am becoming absolutely not excited about anything, apart from truly groundbreaking stuff, like powerful APUs, and efficient tech.I do believe quite a few. I find Kepler, Xino etc to credible and I wait and hope for things they say come to pass
But my belief != fact.
I believe that I will successful in my career. This does not mean that I am until things are unfolding before me.
I also have a soft spot for AMD, I bought a lot of AMD shares in 2017 (between 9 and 11 USD each) , little did I know they will grow this big. I have no more AMD shares, already cashed out.
This does not mean I crap on everything else.
I created this account exactly one week before I received my first Zen CPU. I knew there is potential with Zen, I invested in AMD stocks, pre ordered the CPU and got excited about it. Only thing is that if I waited long enough before cashing out, I could be planning my retirement right now. But one thing I dont like is how this forum evolved.
Stilt was active back then and folks like Dresden Boy, retired engineer, etc, putting out rich technical posts.
Now it is an echo chamber for wannabe leakers.
They are referencing the old "news" from RGT... Not really reliable, just like MLID. I'm not saying I don't believe the numbers could end up being in the same ballpark, just that these news sources are dubious.50% uplift in ST and MT is tremendous.
If it is true, it slays the entire competition.
Intel, Apple, AMD, Qualcomm are all cooked.
People are just not interested in PCs, specs, tinkering, whatever.
P.S. I presume - large part of killing my enthusiasm for PC was my venture to Linux. 1.5 years, and - until stuff works on linux, let alone "just works" - I don't want to have to deal with it
Yep. And because I HAD TO tinker, troubleshoot, fix, and learn under the hood stuff I don't want to HAVE TO do this anymore.This is strange. The open source ecosystem surrounding Linux is a nearly endless source of tinkering, tuning, hacking, and - most importantly - a way to "know how things work under the hood". Discovering new things and understanding how technology really works can be an exciting experience. No other PC platform can provide this.
The 7950X CB2024 scores in that article are garbage.AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU tested: Zen 5 chip is 46% faster in Cinebench R24 than Ryzen 9 7950X
AMD's next-generation Zen 5-powered Ryzen 9 9950X processor: 16-core, 32-thread Zen 5 chip is 46% faster in multi-threaded Cinebench R24 benchmark.www.tweaktown.com
More rumours.
Considering that Zen 4 enjoyed a pretty substantial clock speed gain (+16%) and a decent IPC increase (+13%), if Zen 5 can achieve the same uplift, if not more, on a marginally improved node that's pretty impressive imo.If this rumor is accurate, it's an incredibly impressive technical achievement to get this kind of uplift at the same or similar clocks. It's not really a huge overall performance leap over what we got from Zen 3 to Zen 4 in this benchmark though. The extra single thread uplift looks amazing but lets keep in mind that Zen 4 is already significantly behind Apple and Intel in that respect.
I agree, and said as much in my first sentence. At the end of the day it's the uplift that matters and not how it was achieved though.Considering that Zen 4 enjoyed a pretty substantial clock speed gain (+16%) and a decent IPC increase (+13%), if Zen 5 can achieve the same uplift, if not more, on a marginally improved node that's pretty impressive imo.
Face the truth, you've become and old geezer.Yep. And because I HAD TO tinker, troubleshoot, fix, and learn under the hood stuff I don't want to HAVE TO do this anymore.
The MT uplift indicates much, much improved SMT scaling. That points to a massive overhaul of the structures within the core, much better than anything Intel has ever achieved. I really hope it's true. Zen 5 will breathe much needed life into x86. It actually tracks really well with AMD's way of thinking. They make computing more efficient, rather than brute forcing their way through it like Intel (a pretty moronic approach IMO).38%/36% gain from 7950X to 9950X (rumored)
To be fair, their 2052 is bit on the low side, but on other hand i have no clue how HW Unboxed scored 2187. Just ran the test myself, 10 minute one, and my score is 2099. When i ran the CPU slightly OC´ed for a while to 5,212 avg all core frequency (but then dropped the OC cause of occasional instability), the score was 2120. Dont know what i could do to get to 2185, except do all-core OC to something like 5,3/5,4.The 7950X CB2024 scores in that article are garbage.
Hardware Unboxed (techspot) CB2024
7950X: 2187/126
7950X3D: 2119/124
CPU-Monkey CB2024
7950X: 2142/125
7950X3D: 2108/121
5950X: 1494/95
CGDirector CB2024
7950X: 2185/125
7950X3D: 2117/121
5950X: 1494/98
Average
7950X: 2171/125
7950X3D: 2115/122
5950X: 1494/97
45%/29% gain from 5950X to 7950X
42%/26% gain from 5950X to 7950X3D
38%/36% gain from 7950X to 9950X (rumored)
42%/39% gain from 7950X3D to 9950X (rumored)
If this rumor is accurate, it's an incredibly impressive technical achievement to get this kind of uplift at the same or similar clocks. It's not really a huge overall performance leap over what we got from Zen 3 to Zen 4 in this benchmark though. The extra single thread uplift looks amazing but lets keep in mind that Zen 4 is already significantly behind Apple and Intel in that respect.
What memory settings/configuration are you running? CB2024 scores are more reflective of memory performance than previous versions of Cinebench. I played around with a 4x8 B-die kit (running 3800 MT/s and Ryzen DRAM calculator fast settings) on a 5800x system I just sold. Even with a manually set 85C temp limit throttling it a bit I was consistently hitting mid 900's multi in CB2024. HUB was using 6000 C30 for that score. CGDirector was at 2185 and CPU monkey not far behind at 2145.To be fair, their 2052 is bit on the low side, but on other hand i have no clue how HW Unboxed scored 2187. Just ran the test myself, 10 minute one, and my score is 2099. When i ran the CPU slightly OC´ed for a while to 5,212 avg all core frequency (but then dropped the OC cause of occasional instability), the score was 2120. Dont know what i could do to get to 2185, except do all-core OC to something like 5,3/5,4.
I have the 64GB G-Skill 6000MHz kit running at that speed, did not tweak it any further. Timings are 30:40:40:96. I guess better/faster RAM is one possibility i did not think about, but you say HUB used the same as mine. Cooling is Arctic Freezer 420, could not really do better than that i think, aside of custom loop.What memory settings/configuration are you running? CB2024 scores are more reflective of memory performance than previous versions of Cinebench. I played around with a 4x8 B-die kit (running 3800 MT/s and Ryzen DRAM calculator fast settings) on a 5800x system I just sold. Even with a manually set 85C temp limit throttling it a bit I was consistently hitting mid 900's multi in CB2024. HUB was using 6000 C30 for that score. CGDirector was at 2185 and CPU monkey not far behind at 2145.
I didn't dig deep to find these scores, but given how consistent they are I'd say your system may be under performing a little in comparison to these test bench setups. Do you have stuff running in the background when running it? I know Armory Crate (gross) significantly hurt my CB2024 scores on my Intel system for example.
Cooling and silicon lottery could also be a factor here. Maybe the test systems are clocking higher at the temp limit.
Is 35 considered being an Old Geezer?Face the truth, you've become and old geezer.
Welcome. By the way, Linux is interesting, I use it now for (1) daily use machine + (2) my files with ZFS on an offline machine.
Maybe your cooling isn't up to snuff. Are you using the copper AM5 contact frame? It helps to dissipate heat better.Dont know what i could do to get to 2185, except do all-core OC to something like 5,3/5,4.
43 here. Oh you are still young, my child!Is 35 considered being an Old Geezer?
Is 35 considered being an Old Geezer?