Any many of them are pairing that $2000 GPU with an 8 core CPU, since they don’t need max MT performance. So since they are price insensitive, you could argue the lower core count CPUs is where there is less need for low prices. The gamers will buy them anyway.Similar thing has happened in GPUs. It started with $1000 Titan GPUs and now the consumer flagship is $2000 and people are still buying which goes to show that where there is a need, the price is mostly irrelevant.
competition REDACTEDThen why did AMD drop the price of the 7950X the most of all the Zen4 DT variants soon after release?
it's a laptop thingy.The AI PC push by Microsoft is across all Windows client PCs.
That was a different case. The entire platform price (CPU+mobo+DDR5) was too high at that time. Existing AM5 owners only need to pay for the CPU and even those switching from LGA1700 won't find the price that high, considering there is nothing else they can spend their money on to get the best performance. Some will wait for Arrow Lake. But once that launches and fails to impress, they will possibly move to AM5 too if they are gamers or serious multicore users.Then why did AMD drop the price of the 7950X the most of all the Zen4 DT variants soon after release?
EDIT! EDIT!competition you beautiful being
No. The AI PC requirements set by MS applies to all Windows PCs.it's a laptop thingy.
Does not hold as argument for why higher core count DT CPUs should be less price sensetive.That was a different case. The entire platform price (CPU+mobo+DDR5) was too high at that time.
Discrete GPUs cover the desktop requirement.No. The AI PC requirements set by MS applies to all Windows PCs.
The Windows AI features will be used on both desktop and laptop.
For desktop PC with GPU, yes. But many desktop PCs are relying on iGPU which is not sufficient for the 40+ TOPS AI PC requirements. E.g. typically office desktop PCs do not have dedicated GPU.Discrete GPUs cover the desktop requirement.
it's a laptop thing why are you arguing with me jesus christ.No. The AI PC requirements set by MS applies to all Windows PCs.
The Windows AI features will be used on both desktop and laptop.
typical office is a laptop.For desktop PC with GPU, yes. But many desktop PCs are relying on iGPU which is not sufficient for the 40+ TOPS AI PC requirements. E.g. typically office desktop PCs do not have dedicated GPU.
Depends on what type of office it is.typical office is a laptop.
It's all laptops.Depends on what type of office it is.
If you've ever used Windows 11 it's pretty clear the UI team is not using Windows 11.Some MS employees even use M MacBooks.
Them guys haven't used Windows since like the Win8 era.If you've ever used Windows 11 it's pretty clear the UI team is not using Windows 11.
super not news, I think someone posted about STX1 having a 16megs SLC on twitter ca 2021.Hey look you REDACTED are internet famous
It’s not even the UI team. Cloud team as well. I mean I don’t blame them, they are solid laptops.If you've ever used Windows 11 it's pretty clear the UI team is not using Windows 11.
Zen 4 competed in price/perf with Zen 3. That's all.Why would 32 thread CPUs be any difference in this regard. You might as well say the same for the lower core count variants.
With Zen4 it didn’t take more than a few weeks after release until there were serious price cuts across the complete CPU range. The higher core count variants saw the highest price cuts.
Because for all the absurd wattage of it RPL was still performance competitive with Z4. That's literally it. You don't price based on what you want, you price based on what the market will buy.Then why did AMD drop the price of the 7950X the most of all the Zen4 DT variants soon after release?
Reason is of course that Zen DT is targetting price sensitive consumers. For max MT perf in business use, AMD EPYC is what will be bought. But that is a completely different CPU segment.
Nobody, who benefits that much from faster CPU for work that he does not care about money, is going to buy 9950x over Threadripper. Its people on budget who are going to buy that CPU for work, exactly because they cant justify shelling 1500 minimum for TR. So no, most of these people would not be running to get 9950x for 1000.Anyone willing to spend more than $500 on a CPU either has too much money to spare or their work depends a lot on having the fastest CPU available to save them time. Both types of people won't care about the $999 price tag as long as they can afford it. In the absence of competition, they will consider the extra money as well spent.
Similar thing has happened in GPUs. It started with $1000 Titan GPUs and now the consumer flagship is $2000 and people are still buying which goes to show that where there is a need, the price is mostly irrelevant. Geforce 4090 is CPU limited even at 4K. For starters, it is very possible that all Geforce 4090 owners will spend $999 to get the full potential out of their $2000 GPU. They will consider it as a necessary expense.
Interestingly, I wonder if AMD isn't just going to kill TR.Nobody, who benefits that much from faster CPU for work that he does not care about money, is going to buy 9950x over Threadripper. Its people on budget who are going to buy that CPU for work, exactly because they cant justify shelling 1500 minimum for TR. So no, most of these people would not be running to get 9950x for 1000.
That's another thing about "Wintel". Typical duo of mediocre software and hardware.It’s not even the UI team. Cloud team as well. I mean I don’t blame them, they are solid laptops.
The 5930K launched late 2014, that would put it close to Titan X in early 2015. According to TPU perf charts, the 4090 is 5 times faster than the Titan X. Using the same ballpark system, 7950X is almost 3x faster than i5 10400. Factor in the clock advantage and some IPC improvements, and we're probably reaching 4x perf advantage over 5930K.Pretty sure that 4090 at 1800 nowadays is significantly more performant compared to that first Titan, than 7950x is compared to whatever 600 usd cpu was back in 2013 (5930k?)
Not accounting for the fact that a general purpose CPU's 1% gain is far more worth it than 1% on a GPU.So, if 4090 is 5x faster for 80% more dollars, then the 7950x can be 4x faster for ~60% more dollars. The CPU should have launched for $960. /s