Why would they osbore their current stuff?So no new info about Zen5 from AMD at CES 2024.
yeahDo you still think it’ll be released and available in stores in April 2024, like some on this forum have said previously?
They wouldn't necessarily have to. Depends on what info they would release. But at least some teaser would have been nice.Why would they osbore their current stuff?
It makes everything before it obsolete, instantly.
Pretty much!And does it mean you think AMD will not provide any info at all about Zen5 until the same day that they are released and available in stores?
No, it's all about not osborning current parts.I'd say it's more likely that since Wall Street is obsessed with AI, they aren't going to talk much about client products that don't have NPUs. The Zen 5 APUs are probally months away from release..
Because 24Gb ICs is what ships.I was looking at RAM for a possible Z5 build later this year, and wondering why we're at the max of 48GB per stick (96GB kits).
You can only drive so many ranks without register buffering.Is that a limitation of market demand, current chipsets, CPU's, DIMM physical space, or what?
No.will register buffering be an issue when 32Gb IC is available
Yes that's for RDIMMs aka things not present on client platforms.or is that a problem for even higher capacities ( > 64GBx2 kits)?
Motherboard support is already there!You'd think 64GB sticks (128GB kits) would be possible if 48GB is.
If it turns out that Zen5 will only bring ~20% IPC increase, same max 16C as Zen4, slight frequency regression, no new IO-die & iGPU, while still at 170W TDP, and $999 for top SKU, there's no osbourning to be concerned about. If anything, I'd say it would be a reverse osbourning to inform about it at this point.It makes everything before it obsolete, instantly.
I wish, but alas, it's the single biggest jump in CPU perf since ~2006 (outside of phones, that is).If it turns out that Zen5 will only bring ~20% IPC increase, same max 16C as Zen4, slight frequency regression, no new IO-die & iGPU, while still at 170W TDP, and $999 for top SKU, there's no osbourning to be concerned about.
Computex is for Strix1 (and RDNA4).doubt any announcement of desktop parts before Computex.
Zen1->Zen2 in 2019 went from 8C to 16C, roughly doubling the CPU perf. So ~20% increase for Zen4->Zen5 would be nothing in comparison. If we'll see 32C on Zen5 AM5 (or some combination of P + E cores reaching similar MT performance core count) then it would be something similarly impressive. Otherwise, at a substantial price increase to $999 for top SKU, Zen5 will be a reverse osbourne to announce info about at this point.I wish, but alas, it's the single biggest jump in CPU perf since ~2006 (outside of phones, that is).
See you're thinking there's no free lunch.Zen1->Zen2 in 2019 went from 8C to 16C, roughly doubling the CPU perf. So ~20% increase for Zen4->Zen5 would be nothing in comparison.
You need faster cores, not more of them.If we'll see 32C on Zen5 AM5 (or some combination of P + E cores reaching similar MT performance core count) then it would be something similarly impressive
My guess is that the launch plans are similar to Zen 4. There's an event by the end of April that goes over performance and pricing followed by general availability a month later.So no new info about Zen5 from AMD at CES 2024.
Do you still think it’ll be released and available in stores in April 2024, like some on this forum have said previously?
Need better MT perf. Also need substantially better perf/watt (more than IPC increase can provide, so E cores would be needed) and ideally lower TDP. If Zen5 will only be 16C and have specs and price as previously mentioned, it’ll be a reverse osbourne for AMD to inform about it now.You need faster cores, not more of them.
Maybe for your workloads ST perf is only what matters, not for mine. I need MT perf too.Ugh, no?
again, I've quoted the article, you only have to find it.
Then core count increase is needed, possibly introducing E cores to get better perf/watt. If price is bumped to $999 I’m expecting way more. Otherwise the discounted Zen4:s will be a much better option.It's >20% iso-ish node so gucci.
I really disagree. 1T is what everyone will benefit from. AMD needs to improve that the most. You say 20% IPC with perhaps a 5% frequency reduction? That's average. Maybe the cheapest X3D part would sell well but that's it.Need better MT perf. Also need substantially better perf/watt (more than IPC increase can provide, so E cores would be needed) and ideally lower TDP. If Zen5 will only be 16C and have specs and price as previously mentioned, it’ll be a reverse osbourne for AMD to inform about it now.