Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

uzzi38 · Jan 23, 2021

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now.

First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time!

Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3 is much bigger than from RDNA1 to RDNA2. We should expect many big improvements in GFX11. 🤔" / Twitter

jpiniero · May 3, 2024

Panino Manino said:
Reading the news, supposedly the Client GPU sales nosedived, but reading Anandtech's Forum I was under the impression that sales were actually increasing, with plenty of praises to cards like RX7800XT.

What happened?
Radeon seems hopeless.

It's mostly console declines but given that Lisa said that they expect the revenue decline to accelerate... can't imagine AMD is optimistic about RDNA4.

igor_kavinski · May 3, 2024

Panino Manino said:
Radeon seems hopeless.

It will always seem hopeless if you compare it to Geforce.

Buy a card and use it and have fun with it. That's what other Radeon buyers do and there is no complaint from them. I haven't heard of any Radeon user so far who smashed his Radeon on the floor or against a wall.

gdansk · May 3, 2024

Panino Manino said:
Reading the news, supposedly the Client GPU sales nosedived, but reading Anandtech's Forum I was under the impression that sales were actually increasing, with plenty of praises to cards like RX7800XT.

What happened?
Radeon seems hopeless.

No one has bought Radeon in the last decade. Why are you doom posting now? Because Sony can't float the division in the 4th year of its product cycle?

Radeon is just as hopeless as PC gamers who continue to complain about pricing but won't give up any feature (that they didn't know they needed) in order to fight the trend.

Abwx · May 3, 2024

Mahboi said:
And I looked at FX 8350 benchmarks and Jesus, I had no idea just how poor Bulldozer was. I know it was BAD, but not DOA on every single release between 2011-2015.
It's quite miraculous that AMD survived that.

Nowadays it should be faster than a i7 2600K in games, back in 2017 it was already faster than a 2500k and at close range of the 2600K, and the one he has is clocked at 4.8, so not the end of all compared to even a 6-8C Zen+, but eventually it can drive something that has low overhead.

Panino Manino said:
Reading the news, supposedly the Client GPU sales nosedived, but reading Anandtech's Forum I was under the impression that sales were actually increasing, with plenty of praises to cards like RX7800XT.

What happened?
Radeon seems hopeless.

Nothing to see with Radeon but with the market apparently steadily declining during Q1 2024, and for all GPUs vendors.

FTR from early january to end of march Mindfactory weekly sales declined progressively from 4500 units/week to 2500 units/week, that s representative of the german market and by extension of the whole european market, things could have been comparable elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785565413390070015

DaaQ · May 3, 2024

gdansk said:
No one has bought Radeon in the last decade. Why are you doom posting now? Because Sony can't float the division in the 4th year of its product cycle?

Radeon is just as hopeless as PC gamers who continue to complain about pricing but won't give up any feature (that they didn't know they needed) in order to fight the trend.

/s ???
Hard to tell since what I'm running atm.

Abwx said:
Nowadays it should be faster than a i7 2600K in games, back in 2017 it was already faster than a 2500k and at close range of the 2600K, and the one he has is clocked at 4.8, so not the end of all compared to even a 6-8C Zen+, but eventually it can drive something that has low overhead.

Nothing to see with Radeon but with the market apparently steadily declining during Q1 2024, and for all GPUs vendors.

I hit 5.0 with my 8320, but lower binned ram. But TBH my stuff sat for what 12 years or so. I burnt a ground trace on original CHVFZ board, found a ebay deal with 8350 with 2400 TridentX, also my thermals are good. but room gets pretty warm, this was with the GTX780.

Also it is hard to tell if my settings are causing crashes or if it was D4 actual stability. because they have had their own issues.

with the new card, I have a Caselabs STH10 Magnum, with dual d5 tube reservoirs, and the air cooled XTX would not fit, which syas something on its own, it does fit with the waterblock. I unfortunately had to go with an AC Eisblock for availability, refuse to pay the EK tax.

SO, over on OCN, their 7900xt/xtx thread, has alot of info. But HWinfo64 I am not sure what they are considering the overclocked settings, is it the front end clock, shader clock, or front end effective? Here's a screen of a play session.

I know I am bus bottlenecked, PCIE2.0, The Saber tooth revision was only one with PCIE3.

linkgoron · May 3, 2024

Abwx said:
FTR from early january to end of march Mindfactory weekly sales declined progressively from 4500 units/week to 2500 units/week, that s representative of the german market and by extension of the whole european market, things could have been comparable elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785565413390070015

Given those numbers, I find it hard to believe that Mindfactory are representative of the general desktop market. I have a hard time believing that AMD is selling basically the same amount of GPUs as Nvidia, and has even been mostly ahead of Nvidia in the number of units sold throughout the year in the general desktop market.

Having said that, it's amazing that AMD and Nvidia are selling basically the same amount of GPUs but Nvidia's revenue is 50% higher.

Abwx · May 3, 2024

linkgoron said:
Given those numbers, I find it hard to believe that Mindfactory are representative of the general desktop market. I have a hard time believing that AMD is selling basically the same amount of GPUs as Nvidia, and has even been mostly ahead of Nvidia in the number of units sold throughout the year in the general desktop market.

Having said that, it's amazing that AMD and Nvidia are selling basically the same amount of GPUs but Nvidia's revenue is 50% higher.

There s no bigger retailer than Mindfactory in Germany, and that s due to their very competitive pricings, so if price is the main feature it cant be otherwise in Europe given that it s still an above average income country.

The numbers published by the JPR and other such outlets are not accurate because they are based on add on cards and only from a few OEMs like Asus, Gigabyte and MSI, the latter not even really selling AMD cards, so most of the GPU market is not accounted in their numbers.

As for the 33% lower revenue it s due to AMD s being weaker those last weeks but in Q1 as a whole it wasnt as gapped, here the breakdown for Q1, notice that 6600/6650 are the most sought cheap GPUs, this increase the GPU count while reducing much the average price despite good sales of the 7900X/7900XTX.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1779528961200099610

Abwx · May 3, 2024

DaaQ said:
/s ???
Hard to tell since what I'm running atm.

I hit 5.0 with my 8320, but lower binned ram. But TBH my stuff sat for what 12 years or so. I burnt a ground trace on original CHVFZ board, found a ebay deal with 8350 with 2400 TridentX, also my thermals are good. but room gets pretty warm, this was with the GTX780.

Also it is hard to tell if my settings are causing crashes or if it was D4 actual stability. because they have had their own issues.

with the new card, I have a Caselabs STH10 Magnum, with dual d5 tube reservoirs, and the air cooled XTX would not fit, which syas something on its own, it does fit with the waterblock. I unfortunately had to go with an AC Eisblock for availability, refuse to pay the EK tax.

SO, over on OCN, their 7900xt/xtx thread, has alot of info. But HWinfo64 I am not sure what they are considering the overclocked settings, is it the front end clock, shader clock, or front end effective? Here's a screen of a play session.

I know I am bus bottlenecked, PCIE2.0, The Saber tooth revision was only one with PCIE3.

View attachment 98321

Anything within the rated 350W TDP is not overclocking, and it would be surprising that a 8350 even at 4.8 could push a 7900XTX to such levels., dunno how you manage to hit such power numbers.

DaaQ · May 3, 2024

Abwx said:
Anything within the rated 350W TDP is not overclocking, and it would be surprising that a 8350 even at 4.8 could push a 7900XTX to such levels., dunno how you manage to hit such power numbers.

Maybe the software finally caught up to it? Thats what HWinfo64 v7.62 reports.

Ill start a game session and see what happens, I don't like to run AB with the AMD overlay also but I can turn it on. LMK.

Just to be clear, this is not overclocking>?

Abwx · May 3, 2024

DaaQ said:
Maybe the software finally caught up to it? Thats what HWinfo64 v7.62 reports.

Ill start a game session and see what happens, I don't like to run AB with the AMD overlay also but I can turn it on. LMK.

Just to be clear, this is not overclocking>?

View attachment 98325

Given the GPU temps in your previous pic it would be hardly overclocking, even if you overclock it s unlikely that the 8350 can push it at its rated TDP, do a test with a demanding game to check.

DaaQ · May 4, 2024

Whats a demanding game to check? BG3 Elden Ring? D4?

This is D4

I guess you all are missing, whats the clock frequency used in the OC calculation, front end shader or effective?

EDIT: as seen above my max clock is 4.8.

I going to add the radeon page.

DaaQ · May 4, 2024

Abwx said:
Given the GPU temps in your previous pic it would be hardly overclocking, even if you overclock it s unlikely that the 8350 can push it at its rated TDP, do a test with a demanding game to check.

Also, I burnt the ground plane in my original 8320 setup by overvolting because all the original stuff said until you hit 65 to 70 C, which mine never does. 1x360, 1x560 1x480 (which is push pull) never see above 68C on the cpu. With the 8350 it is a later batch, where the 8320 was early batch. If that matters.

SolidQ · May 4, 2024

Interesting video. 7900GRE 6% faster, than 6950XT

ToTTenTranz · May 4, 2024

SolidQ said:
Interesting video. 7900GRE 6% faster, than 6950XT

This is quite the step up from RDNA3's initial results from launch where the 7900XT struggled to reach above the 6950XT.

Mopetar · May 4, 2024

Not sure why anyone is surprised sales a declining when RDNA3 is pushing 18 months since release. People might forget how long ago it launched because Navi 32 was 6 months late, but anyone informed is waiting for RDNA4 cards.

Even though the 7800XT is still a damned good card, most of the people who really wanted it bought it when it came out or shortly after. You can see that in the MindFactory sales charts posted by @Abwx above.

Console sales being down doesn't help either. Neither Sony or Microsoft really have anything worth buying a console for so it's hardly surprising the sales have fallen off a cliff.

SolidQ · May 4, 2024

Mopetar said:
Neither Sony or Microsoft really have anything worth buying a console for so it's hardly surprising the sales have fallen off a cliff.

I think GTA6 gonna be massive boost console sales

DAPUNISHER · May 4, 2024

SolidQ said:
I think GTA6 gonna be massive boost console sales

Great point. If they do their typical timed exclusive release, PS5 pro will fly off of shelves. GTA is historically a killer app. I am familiar with a fair number of people that only owned a couple of console games each gen and the bulk of their time went into GTA.

The Radeon sales slump is because it was the typical after holiday slump of Q1 combined with the hot deals on RDNA 2 largely drying up. The 6800 is a great deal but it's $300 and under where most buy.

Mopetar · May 4, 2024

SolidQ said:
I think GTA6 gonna be massive boost console sales

The wonder how much they charge Sony and Microsoft not do a PC release at launch.

That will probably drive some console sales though. I'm certainly tempted.

Still doesn't fix the complete dearth of first party titles for either console though. There's a reason the Switch is becoming one of the best selling consoles/handhelds of all time.

SolidQ · May 4, 2024

Mopetar said:
till doesn't fix the complete dearth of first party titles for either console though

No desire to buy them now. No exclusives, no party.
That is comparision

for PC you doesn't need change every year CPU/GPU, like in 199x/200x. You can easily change components every 5-7 year.

The 6800 is a great deal but it's $300 and under where most buy.

I'm waiting for N44 if there 16GB version for 300$ max. Gonna it for 2 year until 9700XT/9800 and buy it for 6-7 years.

Mopetar · May 4, 2024

SolidQ said:
No desire to buy them now. No exclusives, no party.
That is comparision

for PC you doesn't need change every year CPU/GPU, like in 199x/200x. You can easily change components every 5-7 year.

I'm waiting for N44 if there 16GB version for 300$ max. Gonna it for 2 year until 9700XT/9800 and buy it for 6-7 years.

Even if that isn't 100% accurate I think it pretty much perfectly proves the point I was making. Why buy a PS5 over 12 games? That doesn't even consider how many of them are any good.

DaaQ · May 6, 2024

Abwx said:
Given the GPU temps in your previous pic it would be hardly overclocking, even if you overclock it s unlikely that the 8350 can push it at its rated TDP, do a test with a demanding game to check.

how is this not?

itsmydamnation · May 6, 2024

Mopetar said:
Even if that isn't 100% accurate I think it pretty much perfectly proves the point I was making. Why buy a PS5 over 12 games? That doesn't even consider how many of them are any good.

GT with VR , only reason , but man is it a good one!

igor_kavinski · May 6, 2024

itsmydamnation said:
GT with VR , only reason , but man is it a good one!

Woah! Didn't know that happened!

So the PSVR2 finally has a killer app!

Tup3x · May 6, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
It will always seem hopeless if you compare it to Geforce.

Buy a card and use it and have fun with it. That's what other Radeon buyers do and there is no complaint from them. I haven't heard of any Radeon user so far who smashed his Radeon on the floor or against a wall.

The thing is... When I read our local tech forum many have issues with hot spot temperatures. Pump out seems to be a real problem with this kind of design yet manufacturers keep using paste instead of phase change material. On top of that random issue/instability here and there.

igor_kavinski · May 6, 2024

Tup3x said:
On top of that random issue/instability here and there.

How come none of our resident longtime Radeon users have any complaints I wonder...

I will admit that my used Gigabyte RX 6800 AORUS was pretty dang loud at stock but a little undervolt fixed it nicely.

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