Yeah, how dare they not respond immediately and on behalf of the AMD CEO no less?
It's just so outrageous and unacceptable these days!
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Yeah, how dare they not respond immediately and on behalf of the AMD CEO no less?Keep in mind both GN and HUB gave AMD ample time to respond, they didn't just jump the bait.
Poe's Law.I can't tell what is serious and what is sarcasm in this thread anymore.
Poe's Law.
Concerning upscaling being basically mandatory in some newer games pointing to a trend. Consoles first is nothing new. With the historic downturn in GPU sales, less money and effort going towards the PC ports come as no surprise. The unwashed masses that buy OEM gaming PCs are largely unaffected by it. They fire the game up and play. Hell, they get the advantage of the placebo effect, because they bought a RGB Xmas tree with an Nvidia RTX sticker on it.
Our crowd is the hipster beer snobs of PC gaming. OEM, S.I., and console gamers are mostly Joe sixpack.
I presume you watch Jeff on Craft Computing. He does adult beverage reviews at the end of most vids. He is our poster boy.-I read this while sipping on a craft imperial hazy IPA from the local brewery, no joke.
The DLSS mod has 500K downloads on NexusMods now. That’s not an insignificant number so clearly people care.I presume you watch Jeff on Craft Computing. He does adult beverage reviews at the end of most vids. He is our poster boy.
And to give you an idea of how much we differ from Joe sixpack, look at the polls from TPU.
63K votes and 1 in 3 respondents uses Radeon. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/which-generation-is-your-graphics-card.308104/
According to JP research their total market share is 12%. That's a massive departure. Obviously only includes TPU visitors that took the time to answer the question; a small subset of our group. I declare with confidence, not even everyone reading this participated.
As drastically different as those numbers are, the astronomical departure from Joe 6 pack comes from CPU choice. There are fewer than 18K votes so far, but AMD has a staggering 70% share. Hell, almost as many are using Zen 3D as all Intel users combined. That's so far off of total market share it almost beggars belief. Those percentages won't change more than 5% by the time the poll closes either. It's why the whole upscaling brouhaha is at best a tempest in a teacup. No one but us even cares. At worst it is just another in a long lame series of smear campaigns against AMD.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...pu-with-3d-v-cache.312452/page-5#post-5098124
Not clearly. Blurringly people care.The DLSS mod has 500K downloads on NexusMods now. That’s not an insignificant number so clearly people care.
Poe's Law.
Concerning upscaling being basically mandatory in some newer games pointing to a trend. Consoles first is nothing new. With the historic downturn in GPU sales, less money and effort going towards the PC ports come as no surprise. The unwashed masses that buy OEM gaming PCs are largely unaffected by it. They fire the game up and play. Hell, they get the advantage of the placebo effect, because they bought a RGB Xmas tree with an Nvidia RTX sticker on it.
Our crowd is the hipster beer snobs of PC gaming. OEM, S.I., and console gamers are mostly Joe sixpack.
It's interesting which words people are, or are not, cool with. Geek was a derogatory term long before it was associated with tech. I still consider it such. That leaves us withI am thoroughly offended, how dare you call me a "hipster". Call me a nerd or geek but never a scummy thing like "hipster".
I find it really annoying that DLSS/FSR/XeSS is becoming known as a form of optimisation when in reality it helps them cover up for poor/no optimisation.
DLSS quality in my experience has almost always looked better than native res on my 4K monitor. DLAA is also thing, it looks better than native + TAA and you can run it at 100% render resolution. I’d be willing to bet the normal native + TAA won’t even be a thing in 2 years. It’ll be replaced with a DLAA implementation if you’re on an Nvidia card or whatever anti-aliasing tech AMD comes up with for people with Radeon cards.Not clearly. Blurringly people care.
If they wanted to clearly care they would be running at native resolution.
If these titles applied similar post process filters used in upscaling at native resolution, I'm positive your positioning about DLSS being better than native will change. Many of these titles don't bother with post processing filters at native. I'd rather use native + reshade than upscale.DLSS quality in my experience has almost always looked better than native res on my 4K monitor. DLAA is also thing, it looks better than native + TAA and you can run it at 100% render resolution. I’d be willing to bet the normal native + TAA won’t even be a thing in 2 years. It’ll be replaced with a DLAA implementation if you’re on an Nvidia card or whatever anti-aliasing tech AMD comes up with for people with Radeon cards.
If all I had access to was FSR I’d probably think upscaling is horrible too. This forum and their attitude towards upscaling reminds me of Intel circa 2017 when Ryzen first launched and Intel mocked chiplets. Upscaling is here to stay and it’s where things are going. For games like Starfield there’s not a single drawback to running either DLAA or DLSS quality over native + TAA.
I totally agree. It's not the first time I read how DLSS is superior(better image) than native, but that's just not logical. If someone perceives It like that, then It's most likely because post-processing for native is just bad.If these titles applied similar post process filters used in upscaling at native resolution, I'm positive your positioning about DLSS being better than native will change. Many of these titles don't bother with post processing filters at native. I'd rather use native + reshade than upscale.
I totally agree. It's not the first time I read how DLSS is superior(better image) than native, but that's just not logical. If someone perceives It like that, then It's most likely because post-processing for native is just bad.
I wonder If developers don't do It intentionally, so everyone starts using upscalers, which would save them time optimizing their games.
In summary there’s no single explanation for RDNA 3’s relative overperformance in Starfield. Higher occupancy and higher L2 bandwidth both play a role, as does RDNA 3’s higher frontend clock. However, there’s really nothing wrong with Nvidia’s performance in this game, as some comments around the internet might suggest. Lower utilization is by design in Nvidia’s architecture. Nvidia SMs have smaller register files and can keep less work in flight. They’re naturally going to have a more difficult time keeping their execution units fed. Cutting register file capacity and scheduler sizes helps Nvidia reduce SM size and implement more of them. Nvidia’s design comes out top with kernels that don’t need a lot of vector registers and enjoy high L1 cache hitrates.
If we look at the frame as a whole, the RTX 7900 XTX rendered the frame in 20.2 ms, for just under 50 FPS. Nvidia’s RTX 4090 took 18.1 ms, for 55.2 FPS. A win is a win, and validates Nvidia’s strategy of using a massive shader array even if it’s hard to feed. Going forward, AMD will need more compute throughput if they want to contend for the top spot.
I think they get a bye because they ticked the box in Unreal for DLSS & made the game with a small team, small budget & being an early access title. Plus DLSS is still the premium solution, XeSS is close (on Arc at least) but FSR is still far behind (I speak of quality from a personal perspective, YMMV). Starfield was a bottle job.Yeah...so PALWORLD is a massive hit. There is no official FSR or XeSS support. Where is the internet mob screaming for blood over it? Did I miss it? I mean here we are 24 pages deep about DLSS getting left out of games.
That's the best thing I'll read today.Spatula Digi-Jacket-mon.
It's got decent upscaling options by supporting both DLSS & TSR. If you've got a Radeon or a Pascal or older Nvidia GPU you've got upscaling option available to you with TSR (Epic's own flavor of upscaling tech).Yeah...so PALWORLD is a massive hit. There is no official FSR or XeSS support. Where is the internet mob screaming for blood over it? Did I miss it? I mean here we are 24 pages deep about DLSS getting left out of games.
XeSS works best with ARC hardware, why is the game only offering an inferior 3rd party solution to me? That's the entire premise of this thread; that the best upscaler for the hardware should be included. It's super easy according to members that posted in this thread, to add support for all 3 upscalers. Modders already added it, much like DLSS in the other games this 💩 of a thread was started about.It's got decent upscaling options by supporting both DLSS & TSR. If you've got a Radeon or a Pascal or older Nvidia GPU you've got upscaling option available to you with TSR (Epic's own flavor of upscaling tech).
Because:Yeah...so PALWORLD is a massive hit. There is no official FSR or XeSS support. Where is the internet mob screaming for blood over it? Did I miss it? I mean here we are 24 pages deep about DLSS getting left out of games.
I'm a big Xess stan. If it were up to me that'd be the #1 priority upscaler since Xess DP4A works on all modern GPUs and is the closest to DLSS in image quality. I'd prefer it if it had DLSS, Xess, TSR & FSR.XeSS works best with ARC hardware, why is the game only offering an inferior 3rd party solution to me? That's the entire premise of this thread; that the best upscaler for the hardware should be included. It's super easy according to members that posted in this thread, to add support for all 3 upscalers. Modders already added it, much like DLSS in the other games this 💩 of a thread was started about.
Be consistent. Every argument made for DLSS applies to XeSS. Hypocrisy is a bad look guys.
1.Millions of GTX and Intel mobile users also have to rely on FSR and XeSS for upscaling.Because:
1). FSR sucks
2). Intel has a tiny userbase
3). NV's userbase (or at least its biggest fans) can be really noisy.
Most AMD card users should (by now) be smart enough not to use any upscaling tech at all.