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Might as well get to the point: there is no reason to expect anything out of Arrow Lake or its immediate successors, or anything from Intel for the next 2 years.ARL
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As if anything other than chewing through JS and games matters on desktop for 95% of the people.Not for your use cases perhaps, but for others. More specifically those that need max MT perf on DT at a reasonable price. Sounds like Arrow Lake Refresh will be a better option for them, if there will not be any Zen6 DT variant to counter it.
So you are suggesting 16C Zen6 will have better MT perf than Arrow Lake Refresh 8P+32E?
If not, then persons primarily needing max MT perf at reasonable price on DT should get Arrow Lake Refresh instead of Zen6 DT?
Who knows? Scaling could be a problem.i believe those zen 5 scores and if that’s what AMD is scoring at such a low clock then a >3Ghz base clock will be fun
Don't forget Grand Ridge!Just a suggestion: using GNR as an abbreviation for Granite Ridge may not be a great idea, since it is also the abbreviation being used for Intel's Granite Rapids (a product that will exist concurrently with Granite Ridge, assuming Granite Rapids isn't canceled).
Not for your use cases perhaps, but for others. More specifically those that need max MT perf on DT at a reasonable price. Sounds like Arrow Lake Refresh will be a better option for them, if there will not be any Zen6 DT variant to counter it.
Those looking for max MT perf in the range that Arrow Lake Refresh 8P+32E provides will get it at a lower price by buying Arrow Lake Refresh, compared to if buying lower end Zen6 Threadrippers with same MT perf. Why pay more if you don't have to?People that need nT have money.
For Threadrippers.
Even if only in MT, who the heck expects the e cores to suddenly jump in 100% perf?I think he's saying the single thread performance deficit is so great that those extra 16 e cores are meaningless.
Because with more cores at a certain point you'll need also other resources, i.e. memory bandwidth, i/o and so on which will be limited in a desktop platform. I also understand that quite probably nT performance on desktop, regardless of the vendor, will be limited mostly by thermals and power. So adding cores over a certain point wiithin a limited power window will add diminishing returns.Those looking for max MT perf in the range that Arrow Lake Refresh 8P+32E provides will get it at a lower price by buying Arrow Lake Refresh, compared to if buying lower end Zen6 Threadrippers with same MT perf. Why pay more if you don't have to?
Under no illusions that, "MOAR CORES = FASTER" . Quite the opposite actually, the cores are fast enough as is. I'm just a weird edge case running a Proxmox VM server with core overprovisioning. Would love to have my VM's get all the real cores they need and run both my Linux and Windows Desktop VM's with 8 cores each, leaving the rest for my docker/TrueNas/Pfsense VM'sWhy would it?
Why do people still have this weird fantasy that multicore is faster?
Multicore has diminishing returns for almost all applications. You don't need more than 8 for 95% of DT apps, don't need more than 16 for 99% of DT apps. The rare case of needing more is in server.
If you want > 16 cores, the next increment would likely be 32 cores.Those looking for max MT perf in the range that Arrow Lake Refresh 8P+32E provides will get it at a lower price by buying Arrow Lake Refresh, compared to if buying lower end Zen6 Threadrippers with same MT perf. Why pay more if you don't have to?
Those looking for max MT perf in the range that Arrow Lake Refresh 8P+32E provides will get it at a lower price by buying Arrow Lake Refresh, compared to if buying lower end Zen6 Threadrippers with same MT perf. Why pay more if you don't have to?
A niche within a niche (desktop DIY market). A total of 5 people care.Those looking for max MT perf in the range that Arrow Lake Refresh 8P+32E provides will get it at a lower price by buying Arrow Lake Refresh, compared to if buying lower end Zen6 Threadrippers with same MT perf. Why pay more if you don't have to?
Yeah, coming to you from the creators of Inspect Element.Zen 5?
We’ve got a hot scoop from Gigabyte this morning: the next-gen desktop Ryzen processor line is officially named Ryzen 9000. The ongoing speculation about whether AMD would adhere to its mobile naming convention and opt for “8000” for SKUs debuting in 2024 appears to be settled.
Gigabyte has now confirmed that their motherboards are also ready for the new series. Gigabyte has spoiled AMD’s surprise by confirming its 9000 series after all
I see your demand of hearing more Zen5 support from mobo manufacturer and here is Gigabyte's take:
AMD "Ryzen 9000" Zen5 desktop CPUs now confirmed by Gigabyte - VideoCardz.com
It’s Ryzen 9000, Gigabyte confirms The cat is out of the bag. We’ve got a hot scoop from Gigabyte this morning: the next-gen desktop Ryzen processor line is officially named Ryzen 9000. The ongoing speculation about whether AMD would adhere to its mobile naming convention and opt for “8000” for...videocardz.com
Comparison against my ranked#1 7950X on hwbot
All 9000. Same for Granite Ridge on Desktop.So is Strix Point/Strix Halo/Kraken Point 8000 series or 9000 series?