Trump NY Criminal Trial

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uallas5

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That's great news. I'm very nervous about Cohen who is a critical witness. Cohen always strikes me as a habitual liar (just like Trump) and I'm positive at least some of the jurors will get the same impression of him. Since the burden of proof is on the prosecution having a case hinge on Cohen alone is problematic.
Cohen is being "inoculated". His testimony will be at the end and will essentially be corroborating the testimony of credible witnesses that proceeded him, like Pecker. This is a classic technique when your "star" has documented credibility issues. Same with Stormy, with her profession more likely to generate negative bias with the jury.
 

MtnMan

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Am I the only one that immediately thinks of this scene whenever someone mentions Mr. Pecker?
Can you imagine going through school with the name pecker?

Or the girl he asks out on a date talking to her parents. Daddy, I'm going out with a guy from school. Nice, what's his name....
 
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Amused

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Can you imagine going through school with the name pecker?

Or the girl he asks out on a date talking to her parents. Daddy, I'm going out with a guy from school. Nice, what's his name....

Who'd a thunk a guy named Pecker would be such a dick?
 

hal2kilo

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So if that’s the case then why didn’t it happen at his other trials? Was the Carroll jury just uniquely lucky?

This whole ‘Trump gets away with it’ fan fiction is weird. It’s possible, but not particularly likely.
It's the aura he's created himself with...wait for it...Fake News which he is intimately acquainted with as spelled out by Pecker. Remember with Pubs It's every accusation is a confession.
 

hal2kilo

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Funny, yesterday Fox thought Trumps lawyer was killing it.


Just to pile on.


During cross examination, Trump attorney Emil Bove pressed the witness on why he was now testifying that Hope Hicks — then-director of the Trump campaign's communications team — was "in and out" of that Trump Tower meeting when he had previously told federal investigators that she was not there. Bove then handed Pecker a document that the attorney said would refresh his memory.

But that document appears to have been more of a prop than a piece of evidence. After jurors left the room Thursday, and following objections from the prosecution, Judge Juan Merchan accused Bove of leaving the jury with a false impression.

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"If there wasn't anything in that document, it's misleading," Merchan said, as HuffPost reported. "I'm going to ask you to be very careful with that."

When Bove sought to defend himself, Merchan cut him off. "Mr. Bove, are you missing my point?"

Norm Eisen, an attorney and CNN legal analyst, said that moment undid whatever good may have been accomplished Thursday from the defense's perspective.

"The defense, Mr. Bove, Trump's lawyer, really got off to a strong start with their cross-examination," Eisen said. "But then, they made a mistake."
 

Moonbeam

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Funny, yesterday Fox thought Trumps lawyer was killing it.

Sadly, of course for stage magicians like Trump, the concept of justice in a court setting demands the presentation of facts. The repetition of lies, so effective with mass hypnosis, in a courtroom doesn't cut it. The illusion is constantly interrupted mid telling but objections and evidence from the other side.
 
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eelw

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Okay he’s not a jackass all the time. Rhona Graff his former executive assistant was second witness. Only important thing from her testimony is that she created contacts for both Stormy and McDougal and she’s seen Stormy in waiting room to see the orange monkey. But as she left, he got up and touched her hand. As reporter said, he doesn’t even stand up for the jury.
 

K1052

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In case anybody wonders why that is the fine the contempt statute max is $1k per offense. Which is also why the Judge is threatening to send him to Rikers because he knows it isn't a deterrent.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Sleepy Don’s spokesman is attacking the jury now.


Well, we’re well into “turbulent priest” territory, here.

It also forbids him from directing anybody else to comment about the jury or others. Leavitt appeared on Real America’s Voice in her role as a Trump spokesperson.

It's remotely possible Trump never told her to do this, but I also have no doubt that she knew in her heart he wanted it done.

It will be interesting to see if the judge buys this line of reasoning.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump purposely mischaracterized the gag order as “not allowing me to testify” (paraphrased). Even worse, he confirms this with his lawyer who NODS:


I’d bet his lawyers told him this to keep him off the stand. He just can't stop lying every 5 minutes

Trump needs to have a discussion with the judge, where he is asked “Did you direct a staff member to make a post about the jury? We have already spoken with this staff member, so answer carefully.”

The judge also needs to ask Trump again if he understands the gag order. If Trump answers in the affirmative, ask him why he then mischaracterized the gag order as preventing him from testifying. Make Trump repeat the words out loud for the court to hear: “The gag order does not prevent me from testifying. The gag order does not prevent me from testifying.”
 
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Fenixgoon

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I know it's far from the holiday season, and it's extremely unlikely to happen, but Donald Trump testifying would be an amazing gift.
I feel like the judge needs to make it a point that he is certainly allowed to, and even welcomed (by the prosecution), to testify
 

WelshBloke

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I feel like the judge needs to make it a point that he is certainly allowed to, and even welcomed (by the prosecution), to testify
And that if he wasnt a massive pussy that didn't have a brain made out of porridge he'd be up there! (I'd like the Judge to use those words but I'd be happy with something slighty more formal)
 

Dave_5k

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I feel like the judge needs to make it a point that he is certainly allowed to, and even welcomed (by the prosecution), to testify
The judge actually did that first thing this morning, after Trump's last night whining to the press about not being allowed to testify.

 

eelw

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But Hope Hicks testimony. Everything goes through the orange monkey. She talked to Cohen and Pecker many times during the time in question. But just like the executive secretary last week, Hope also complimented the work ethic of the orange monkey.
 
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