Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Joe NYC

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I'm wondering who would use 5000€ on standard computer instead of buying a custom,.

Someone I was in a conversation recently mentioned that he is probably not going to assemble his next PC because he may no longer have the fine motor skills for some of the tiny wires to connect and read the nearly invisible labels.

The industry can't bring itself to include 25 cent raised centralized IO panel for case connections with all motherboards, so the mobo makers are partially responsible.

How difficult would it really be to include 2 - 3 images, as a quick reference to document all the connections of the mobo? As opposed to have the info buried on page 47 of the manual?
 
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9050 branding is for next year, for the full stack with Krakens and halos and fire ranges.
So next year Strix will be "Hawked" and be named 9x5x?
It's not a particular SKU. It's another way of writing 8X5X to cover the range of possible SKUs (e.g., 8955, 8740, etc.). This follows AMD's stated scheme of the numbers being year, tier, arch. generation, feature (really a perf. modifier option).
Was surprised because I thought AMD present Strix directly as Ryzen 9X5X. Guess that's for next year.
 

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It's existing naming convention.
"It's existing medical convention to rub poo on wounds to heal them" - soon to be dead Dark Ages peasant following Established Medical Conventions
Same logic.

AMD's naming scheme is catastrophic and it is amazing that they'd squander a good product with this drudgery again.
Back to spending hours explaining to friends how to navigate the atrocious AMD naming scheme and how "8040" is radically different and a completely different generation from "8050" and how 8050 is what they want.
 
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"It's existing medical convention to rub poo on wounds to heal them" - soon to be dead Dark Ages peasant following Established Medical Conventions
Same logic
Meds.
AMD's naming scheme is catastrophic and it is amazing that they'd squander a good product with this drudgery again.
It makes sense.
Acceptable evil.
 
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Hitman928

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"It's existing medical convention to rub poo on wounds to heal them" - soon to be dead Dark Ages peasant following Established Medical Conventions
Same logic.

AMD's naming scheme is catastrophic and it is amazing that they'd squander a good product with this drudgery again.
Back to spending hours explaining to friends how to navigate the atrocious AMD naming scheme and how "8040" is radically different and a completely different generation from "8050" and how 8050 is what they want.

Pretty much everyone's model naming format sucks because it's driven by OEMs who want to make you believe you're buying something new every year, even if it's really just a rebrand. AMD's format is at least transparent and consistent once you know how it works.
 

adroc_thurston

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AMD marketing dept sure needs them.
They're ok.
To nobody outside of AMD's 4th dimension naming crew.
Pretty straightforward more number better.
Didn't need to be evil, is thoroughly unacceptable.

Call it 9xxx and stop the insanity. Nobody wants to have this two-headed system of "mobile goes like this, desktop like that". It makes Intel look consistent. I'm not even joking.
Next year.
 
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Pretty much everyone's model naming format sucks because it's driven by OEMs who want to make you believe you're buying something new every year, even if it's really just a rebrand. AMD's format is at least transparent and consistent once you know how it works.
It will be transparent to exactly 1% of buyers, the 1% that hang around tech spaces.
Having a consistent 1000->3000->5000->7000->9000 naming scheme in DT for Z1/2/3/4/5 and having another naming scheme where 7040 is Z4, 8040 is Z4, 8050 is Z5, is something absolutely nobody will pay attention to.
You're going to have a crazy amount of ill informed buyers on this. It's just a basic fact of reading these specs, you assume the first number is the most important. Heck it's a basic fact of READING. Leftmost number most important!
This naming scheme was mad since the start but now it's just destructive to the brand. Nobody's going to care to understand this.
And the OEMs can go suck on a tree, it's AMD that decided on this, not them.

This is literally having an excellent product and mingling it with an older, less interesting product.
It is abysmal marketing.
Can I work for AMD for free for a few months? Just so I don't see these kinds of atrocities anymore.

For pete's sake, most people still answer "I have an i9/i7/i5" when you ask them what CPU they have.
And you think they're going to focus on the 3rd number in a sequence of 4?
 

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But you just made me realise that we'll get news about Zen 5c along with Zen 5. And get perf soon too, since it comes out with Strix Point. I really wonder if they'll be able to do as good as they did with Zen 4? 35% area improvement?

Probably greater.

They already have a working split AVX512 implementation, it would make a lot of sense to use that for the c part.
 
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It will be transparent to exactly 1% of buyers, the 1% that hang around tech spaces.
Having a consistent 1000->3000->5000->7000->9000 naming scheme in DT for Z1/2/3/4/5 and having another naming scheme where 7040 is Z4, 8040 is Z4, 8050 is Z5, is something absolutely nobody will pay attention to.
You're going to have a crazy amount of ill informed buyers on this. It's just a basic fact of reading these specs, you assume the first number is the most important. Heck it's a basic fact of READING. Leftmost number most important!
This naming scheme was mad since the start but now it's just destructive to the brand. Nobody's going to care to understand this.
And the OEMs can go suck on a tree, it's AMD that decided on this, not them.

This is literally having an excellent product and mingling it with an older, less interesting product.
It is abysmal marketing.
Can I work for AMD for free for a few months? Just so I don't see these kinds of atrocities anymore.

For pete's sake, most people still answer "I have an i9/i7/i5" when you ask them what CPU they have.
And you think they're going to focus on the 3rd number in a sequence of 4?

Can you come up with a better scheme? Remember that you have to increment for new laptop models every year for your biggest customers to be happy. Would you prefer something like Intel's where the numbers have no real indication of generation or specs outside of bigger means better but not always?
 
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Pretty much everyone's model naming format sucks because it's driven by OEMs who want to make you believe you're buying something new every year, even if it's really just a rebrand. AMD's format is at least transparent and consistent once you know how it works.
Yeah, there are still plenty of ways to better hide the "OEM tax" number (that keeps rising ever year) The generation should be the first number or brought out totally separately e.g. "Gen 5"

Pretty straightforward more number better.

It only works as the 8xxx series has no zen 3 parts. If it had a 8630U would be significantly worse than a 7840U or 7640U

In the 7th gen we had such "stars of the show" as the Zen2 based 7520U , that absolutely confused me at first sight when looking for a budget laptop for my nephew

Can you come up with a better scheme?
Put the "tax number" as any number after the first.
Use a prefix or suffix "Gen 4" it could also mean year, not actual gen, if you must
... plenty of options
 

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Yeah, there are still plenty of ways to better hide the "OEM tax" number (that keeps rising ever year) The generation should be the first number or brought out totally separately e.g. "Gen 5"



It only works as the 8xxx series has no zen 3 parts. If it had a 8630U would be significantly worse than a 7840U or 7640U


Put the "tax number" as any number after the first.
Use a prefix or suffix "Gen 4" it could also mean year, not actual gen, if you must
... plenty of options

So like a 7940u gen2 that's exactly the same as 7940u gen1 and probably doesn't satisfy OEM's desire since the main model name is exactly the same? So still leads to consumer confusion and unhappy OEMs. Remember, in mobile, the OEMs are AMD's customers, not the end user. They are the ones they need to keep happy.

Edit: BTW, all of these models already have a prefix of Ryzen #, just like Intel i# or Core (Ultra) # so if that's what the consumer focuses on, then it's the exact same situation as Intel.
 
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