Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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aigomorla

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Oh i see i need to play wack a mole a with a few people people in this thread...

Keep on topic... and random pictures with mysterious file names hidden are not allowed without any form of commetary, unless your pictures have the commentary on it directly.

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Joe NYC

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I'd say if AMD actually climbs to 33% during Z5's lifetime, I'll call it a victory. 40%+ would be amazing.
But I don't have much hope. I suspect the real reason is just that the INTC servicing is Enhanced Massage Parlor tier. You get everything lubricated and stimulated until you're satisfied.
The lubrication being money and the stimulation being Intel boys doing half the integration job so laptop makers just plop the CPU in where they're told and get sent what they need to do and execute it.

Feels like AMD is lacking in terms of "customer service" towards OEMs.
Also, if we could get an OEM worker to talk, I'm pretty sure there would be very loud complaints about the usual AMD problems. Docs being a labyrinth of "go to document X->document Y->document Z->document X->repeat circle", multiple calls to AMD personnel with "we'll get back to you" which comes back after weeks and the answer is "errr we're not really sure", and so on.

For all the loudmouthing he does, George Hotz did illustrate that with detail. And I've heard many many complaints over the years that "AMD does all Open Source, but the docs are so empty nobody but themselves understands anything".

Outside of outright shady anticompetitive practices, Intel had (for most of the last several decades) real performance advantage in 2 to all 3 out of 3 major segments: Notebooks, Servers, Desktop. And then Intel could leverage these advantages for further anti-competitive practices.

We may be breaking new ground with Intel being behind in possibly all 3 out of 3 of the segments once Zen 5 is fully released in all the segments, say in mid 2025.

In servers, AMD is already > 30%, might be above 50% by mid 2025.
In consumer / gaming desktops, also > 50% worldwide
In commercial desktops - starting from virtually zero, it's challenge to even get the foot in the door.
Notebook - hardest to predict. 30% is optimistic but possible.

Overall, client + server, IIRC AMD is at ~20% dollar revenue. 30% would break the Intel monopoly.
35% or over would probably break Intel in its current form.
 
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The current issue with the degrading CPUs may cause a major shift among OEMs, because I can only imagine how many service calls the OEMs get or will get for this.
 

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Outside of outright shady anticompetitive practices, Intel had (for most of the last several decades) real performance advantage in 2 to all 3 out of 3 major segments: Notebooks, Servers, Desktop. And then Intel could leverage these advantages for further anti-competitive practices.

We may be breaking new ground with Intel being behind in possibly all 3 out of 3 of the segments once Zen 5 is fully released in all the segments, say in mid 2025.

In servers, AMD is already > 30%, might be above 50% by mid 2025.
In consumer / gaming desktops, also > 50% worldwide
In commercial desktops - starting from virtually zero, it's challenge to even get the foot in the door.
Notebook - hardest to predict. 30% is optimistic but possible.

Overall, client + server, IIRC AMD is at ~20% dollar revenue. 30% would break the Intel monopoly.
35% or over would probably break Intel in its current form.
I dunno. Everyone always goes "Intel was being anticompetitive" as the main excuse.
In my experience you never have "just corruption". There's corruption and some good arguments too.

We'll see, but I've heard more than once about these magical explosions of AMD sales in server, and it's been a slow grind. Wouldn't be surprised if it's just as slow a grind in laptops.
There might also be other consequences if Intel really is starting to break apart openly.
 

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I don't remember, wasn't the initial Strix Point rumor 4 Regular + 8 C cores ? Why did some websites swap it to 8 Regular + 4 C cores? Did I miss something?
 

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But you just made me realise that we'll get news about Zen 5c along with Zen 5. And get perf soon too, since it comes out with Strix Point. I really wonder if they'll be able to do as good as they did with Zen 4? 35% area improvement?
 

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what is the relevance of this post in relation to this threads topic ?
Wouldn't this be a better fit in an intel thread ?

Indeed it was. And that's good advice you provided. Offtopic content was removed.

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Lisa - "We're seeing faster ramp up and more designs than Hawk in the same timeframe"

@adroc_thurston "They wouldn’t be getting so many design wins if the product wasn't good."

That's a very strong line-up. Even managed to get some ASUS ProArt wins (Usually Intel dominated). Lenovo, HP, Dell and Acer will probably follow with huge portfolio of design wins for Strix. Computex will be nice.
 
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