I doubt AMD is going to waste stacked dies on a 5600-level part. Really they can just cut the price if they need to, which considering that Zen 3 has been on the market for over a year now and the $50 premium that AMD added to most of the lineup, it's hard to argue that a price cut isn't in order.
Right now AMD doesn't even have anything from their latest generation in that price bracket. Even the older Zen 2 CPUs that originally released in that price range are being listed for above MSRP. The Ryzen 3100 is listed for $199 on Amazon. It's only $149 on Newegg, but out of stock there. So either Intel has enough supply to handle the crazy market demand or they're leaving a lot of money on the table pricing it below $200.
I have a bad feeling about this. The availability won't be good, especially with the damned scalpers pouncing on anything gaming related.
@eek2121
Looks like a run on Milan-X caused AMD to divert dice to that market segment. More profit per mm2 of silicon. AMD is pushing everything to server. Everything. Desktop is left in the cold.
I have a bad feeling about this. The availability won't be good, especially with the damned scalpers pouncing on anything gaming related.
It's like they are just gonna ship a few thousand CPUs and say they kept their "promise"I have a bad feeling about Zen3d being pushed out another entire quarter...
It's like they are just gonna ship a few thousand CPUs and say they kept their "promise"
5800X3D it is: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-con...-launches-this-spring-zen4-raphael-in-2h-2022
Other models MIA, I guess they are betting on Zen 4 instead?
Nobody expected a January launch right?
With a later release they could probably avoid having to support DDR4 on AM5.It should definitely be pointed out, but hey ZenX3D in year 2022.
Yeah, it's not like everything has been leaked. We'll see in half an hour.A supply chain source from china said that there would also have 5900X3D/5950X3D in parallel with 5800X3D.
Bytheway heat/area temperature problem would be eased a bit due to new lid/package design.
EDIT: the source page is filled with chinese local slang so googletranslate would't help for you much i'm afraid. UserID 'godfather23'
2022CES线上展会 AMD部分预热【amd吧】_百度贴吧
2022CES线上展..今日23:00 AMD将于CES线上展会展示以下内容：内容源自预热图1.Zen3 3Dcache版名称正式确认（含5800X3D）；2.Zen4预热，将于本年度下半年发售（比预期将提前4个月）；3.tieba.baidu.com
Yeah, it's not like everything has been leaked. We'll see in half an hour.
Ryzen 5800X - 3.8/4.7GHz - TDP 105W
Ryzen 5800X3D - 3.4/4.5GHz - TDP 105W
The frequency regression also hit Ryzen-X as it did on Milan-X. There is no free lunch...
Ryzen 5800X - 3.8/4.7GHz - TDP 105W
Ryzen 5800X3D - 3.4/4.5GHz - TDP 105W
The frequency regression also hit Ryzen-X as it did on Milan-X. There is no free lunch...
Yup, that is the hypothesis I had since Zen3d was put on hold on desktop and all of the H2 2021 production was diverted to Milan-X.
(I seem to recall I was harshly criticized by one of the moderators for saying desktop Zen3d was put on hold.)
OTOH, good thing they are primary targeting gaming, with 5800x3d. Hopefully, it will get some high binning parts, rather than worst, as was the case with 5800x.
It will be interesting to see 5800x3d beat 5950x in gaming, to prove that those extra cores were almost useless in gaming.
I noticed this aswell.
For now since there are no models above 5800X3D alot of people on the 12 and 16 models will think twice about losing cores for cache. For me since I stayed at 8 cores. I would only be losing clock speed if I switched, so will wait for some reviews to see if its worth it.
it was said that the lower frequencies are due to not wanting to go too hard on binning them, but there will be OC Potential and at clock for clock the X3D will be 20% higher IPC in gamingRyzen 5800X - 3.8/4.7GHz - TDP 105W
Ryzen 5800X3D - 3.4/4.5GHz - TDP 105W
The frequency regression also hit Ryzen-X as it did on Milan-X. There is no free lunch...
I hope we can now agree that Zen3d on desktop missed the window where it would have been relevant, leadership product.
By missing the window, Zen3D, and has been relegated to irrelevance...
Throwing all the bad dies at the 5800x3d is the cherry on top.
it was said that the lower frequencies are due to not wanting to go too hard on binning them, but there will be OC Potential and at clock for clock the X3D will be 20% higher IPC in gaming
Why? They are beating the 12900k at 4.5 Ghz,. Even the worst binned 5800X3D will be the Gaming King when compared to Alder LakeI hope we can now agree that Zen3d on desktop missed the window where it would have been relevant, leadership product.
By missing the window, Zen3D, and has been relegated to irrelevance...
Throwing all the bad dies at the 5800x3d is the cherry on top.
Why only Ryzen 7, not Ryzen 5/Ryzen 9?
Because this is a new project for AMD, they want to find out how a processor like this will be welcomed into the market. A lot of users (myself included) expected AMD to go all-in with a big 16-core version, however anything Ryzen 9 requires two chiplets, and adding the extra V-Cache does require an extra cost in silicon and packaging. During a semiconductor shortage, I was told that this is the best way to get it into the hands of many people while also not in the super high-cost bracket. It also means one single unified 96 MB of L3 cache, without having to deal with two chiplets worth which might not be optimized immediately. Future versions of V-Cache on next-generation products may be expanded to other Ryzen members of the family.