AMD 8700G iGPU is pretty good

[BFG10K]

This is the first integrated graphics that can deliver decent low-end performance. With NV ripping off even that space with overpricing, this option will be good for more competition. If you play older legacy games it might even do 1440p60.

 

[uzzi38]

Honestly the 8600G is the real star of the show. It very easily gets quite close to the 8700G, but for a good deal cheaper.

 

[biostud]

But as HWUB points out a 12100F+RX6600 will give you >100% better gaming performance for the same money as the 8700G.

 

[MrTeal]

It's a really nice chip if you have a need for it. The price is pretty bad though making it kinda useless as a budget gaming option unless you can't fit a PCIe GPU. While it's N4, it's half the size of the APU in the Xbox Series X and still less performant as a gaming chip. It's also priced more than a whole Series X has been available at on sale.

 

[Hitman928]

But as HWUB points out a 12100F+RX6600 will give you >100% better gaming performance for the same money as the 8700G.

While I certainly agree with you, with a bit more of a long term view, it could make sense to go with the 8700G (or more probably the 8600G). While initially you'll get significantly less performance than the 12100F + RX6600, the Zen4 CPU will last you longer through future upgrades. You could still get decent gaming performance today and then add a dGPU down the road in a generation or two. Of course, you could upgrade the 12100F system as well, but I kind of shy away from the 4C8T setup of the 12100F for longevity reasons. It really depends on the games you like to play though. I'd have to look at current market prices and such to be sure, but I could see a non-SFF build with an 8600G making sense this way.

 

[Ranulf]

Yeah, at $329 its a better deal for a built in gpu than the 5700G was at launch but not that great overall. Good for small form factor and itx builds where you add a dedicated gpu later maybe.


8600G review:

AMD Ryzen 5 8600G processor review

In this review, we'll delve into the Ryzen 5 8600G, a $229 processor that comes equipped with the AMD Radeon 760M integrated graphics processor. This release introduces the first 8000 series for the AM5 socket, these processors are essentially Zen4/RDNA3 mobile chips repurposed for desktop.

www.guru3d.com

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Looks like the typical movie theater price discrimination to push the 8600G. The 8 core is expensive, while the 8500G forces you to give up too much for a $50 savings.

I wonder if the OEM and S.I. orders for Phoenix are such that retail isn't a big priority out of the gate? Or if the 8600G will sellout because of low availability at first?

 

[biostud]

Besides building a system where a dedicated video card is not an option, are there any reason to get one of these?

 

[MrTeal]

You want a fully custom water cooled system and already have an AM4/AM5 block, are willing to accept 1080p low, and can't afford a full coverage block on a higher end GPU?

 

[biostud]

You want a fully custom water cooled system and already have an AM4/AM5 block, are willing to accept 1080p low, and can't afford a full coverage block on a higher end GPU?

sure, but I would call it an interesting priority to spend $$$ to go fully water cooled and then not have enough cash for a video card. I would guess that market is pretty small.

 

[MrTeal]

sure, but I would call it an interesting priority to spend $$$ to go fully water cooled and then not have enough cash for a video card. I would guess that market is pretty small.

Yeah, probably should have tossed an /s on that. Though maybe such a person with an existing loop exists.

How about a user who's lost all the SATA and VGA cables from his modular power supply? He wants to do a little gaming but can't power a 6500XT. Buying new cables just seems so complex with all the different pinouts. Perfect target market for this APU.

 

[BFG10K]

Besides building a system where a dedicated video card is not an option, are there any reason to get one of these?

The coolness factor. This is the first time in history an iGPU is good enough for low-end gaming.

Also for a simpler build because you no longer need anything in the PEG slot or any cables going to it. Look at how basic Leo's build was. Everything is cooled just fine by the stock CPU cooler. You probably don't even need any case fans.

And lastly, you could potentially build a NUC mini-itx system where even a low profile GPU won't fit due to height.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The bulk of AMD APUs end up in OEM and S.I. systems. Also, a forum member here that owns a PC shop or is a distributor? and is in Europe, assures us APUs are quite popular in some countries. Retail has a better profit margin too. Those are reason enough.

The AMD APU mini PCs like ASRock Deskmini and Asus PN series will make good tiny HTPCs and Steam boxes too.

The 8600G will likely be my first AM5 build. Once the price is more attractive. $40-$50 less to help absorb the cost of new ram would do the trick.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Besides building a system where a dedicated video card is not an option, are there any reason to get one of these?

- These things will have longer legs in the used market, or after a year when the price drops to a far more reasonable number. They look like a great way for someone to get a basic gaming PC up and running with some expansion options down the line.

This is a classic example of good product, terrible price.

Seeing how badly entry level GPUs have been flogged by all players at this juncture, I can see this thing being worthwhile at $250 and a screaming good deal at $200, and I trust it can easily shed 25% of its price in a year given historical AMD CPU pricing trends.

 

[Shmee]

I honestly don't see these as that useful. Separate APUs made sense for Zen 3 on AM4 when most Ryzen chips had no integrated GPU, but it seems to me that a lot of people who would use the integrated GPU would be fine with a Ryzen 7700 etc, for less money, and could upgrade with a video card later if needed for gaming.

Also, a lot of games seem more CPU bound these days, so the Ryzen 7000 line makes more sense IMO, especially when paired with a video card later.

 

[Ranulf]

I honestly don't see these as that useful. Separate APUs made sense for Zen 3 on AM4 when most Ryzen chips had no integrated GPU, but it seems to me that a lot of people who would use the integrated GPU would be fine with a Ryzen 7700 etc, for less money, and could upgrade with a video card later if needed for gaming.

Also, a lot of games seem more CPU bound these days, so the Ryzen 7000 line makes more sense IMO, especially when paired with a video card later.

A fair point. For me, I only see them useful as MiniPC type APUs or for me wanting to put them in a home server so I don't have to run a dedicated graphics card. All to free up pci-e space for storage/newtwork/utility cards.

 

[Shmee]

A fair point. For me, I only see them useful as MiniPC type APUs or for me wanting to put them in a home server so I don't have to run a dedicated graphics card. All to free up pci-e space for storage/newtwork/utility cards.

Correct, with a home server, you don't need a powerful GPU, so having integrated graphics is great for freeing a slot for a 10Gb NIC, or HBA card etc, but the Ryzen 7000 lineup already has this, as well as better CPU performance and more lanes.

 

[balloonshark]

ETA Prime has a couple of videos up now. It looks like you'll want fast ram once again with these APUs. The price would also be more palatable if they were pcie 5 compatible.

 

[yottabit]

It’s pretty much just a desktop version of the 7940HS right? Which has been available in miniPC form for a while now. I like the concept though. A while back I recommended the 5700g for a friend building a PC for his parents who do some “gaming” (very old games) and they’ve been really happy with it. I think that system was replacing an i7-920 and gtx 280 (!)

 

[BFG10K]

Performance should be better once the throttling's fixed.

AMD Set to Fix Ryzen 8000G APU STAPM Throttling Issue, Sustained Loads Affected

www.anandtech.com

 

[ryanjagtap]

Video for OC of 780M in 8700G...

Pretty long video
TLDR:
Not much room for gfx oc... max he could reach was 3150 MHz
Memory Tuning gives greater results.
The video has timestamps if you want to skip to relevant parts of the video.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Now AMD just needs to get a little bolder and put out an 8800X3D APU. That might just beat a Jecough 1650 easily and with 32 or 48GB RAM, allow more RAM to be used for cat pics generative AI or higher quality textures. You know, for older games with high res texture packs. Having a clean build with less internal wire clutter, less need for better case airflow, no noise from dGPU fans and mini-ITX builds are all great reasons for someone inclined towards those things.

 

[Glo.]

Now AMD just needs to get a little bolder and put out an 8800X3D APU. That might just beat a Jecough 1650 easily and with 32 or 48GB RAM, allow more RAM to be used for cat pics generative AI or higher quality textures. You know, for older games with high res texture packs. Having a clean build with less internal wire clutter, less need for better case airflow, no noise from dGPU fans and mini-ITX builds are all great reasons for someone inclined towards those things.

Since there would be no 4GB VRAM limit on APUs, and if they would create x3D for Strix Point - we are looking at GTX 1660 Ti performance, rather than 1650.

The capabilities are in the CUs even of 6500 XT with large enough VRAM to perform around 1660 Ti. Strix Point has better CUs, and will have higher clocks.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

8500G goes on sale at B&H photo in 10 minutes. If it were $30 cheaper I'd seriously consider it. Too close to the 8600G price for what you get at $179.

It is beating the 5000 series Vega by more than expected too.

 

[BFG10K]

Side-by-side with all three APUs. 8700G's total power tops out @ ~90W which is very good for CPU + GPU combined.

Also 8700G looks good against very low-end dGPU competitors 1650 and 6400.