Info AMD is not your friend !!!

[iamgenius]

Okay, that's just sad. After all the wait, it is no longer coming. I really hate it.

 

[jpiniero]

And when was that promised/advertised ? I certainly did not see it.

Well, they made a Zen 2 one. I could see people thinking they would make a Zen 3.

 

[CakeMonster]

Please add a statement or explanation when just dropping a video. Not trying to sound snobbish, but I am very stingy about clicking videos and links considering how much low effort content and clickbait is out there.

Luckily I could figure out the gist from the discussion. AMD is starting to behave like Intel with its product portfolio. I am not that happy about it, but that's 100% what you should expect since they aim to be as successful, as others have said its the only way considering how the business works. So while I dislike the fact that they're launching a nonsensical 5500 6c/6t, that 5800X has had a stupid pricing all along WRT price/core in the lineup, and that TR and above has not been predictable at all for 3 years, it all checks out when it comes to maximizing profit.

 

[biostud]

AMD will probably earn a lot more by selling these via business partners in their computers, than for enthusiasts. The first generations they couldn’t get penetration to these businesses, but they are can see what EPYC and threadripper bring to the table, and what intel does not, they definitely want a piece of that cake.

 

[scineram]

I think it's clear that AMD could be selling into more markets than it is, and it has prioritized desktop and server. On the days where my pessimism wins, I believe moinmoin -- it's dead. On my optimistic days I believe the pent-up demand will eventually find fulfillment. Time will tell.

There is no evidence of pent up demand other than some enthusiasts crying about it. However AMD does know what happened to regular TR sales after Pro and Vermeer launch. It is also known that TR Pro is now the household name in the workstation market.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

If the Op can't afford the new Threadripper parts why not go last gen or even go for Epyc like others here have done or plan to do?? Pretty much the same performance for less money?? Personally I would love to get my hands on an Epyc CPU Mainly the 7601 or 7551.. Not sure how a business needs to be any ones personal friend for us to purchase their items??

 

[Markfw]

If the Op can't afford the new Threadripper parts why not go last gen or even go for Epyc like others here have done or plan to do?? Pretty much the same performance for less money?? Personally I would love to get my hands on an Epyc CPU Mainly the 7601 or 7551.. Not sure how a business needs to be any ones personal friend for us to purchase their items??

I have both a 7551, and dual 7601's. Not as fast or efficient as Zen 2 32 core, but go OK for the CPU price. ($300 for 7551P or $425 for 7601, faster) Now memory and motherboard will cost, especially since it only makes sense to get 128 gig. and the motherboard is $500 and up. Now what makes more sense, but is not as fast as threadripper pro, is a Rome 32 core 7542, $2000 !

 

[ashFTW]

Lenovo 620 with Threadripper Pro W3995X and 512GB RAM cost me an even $10k. It’s a beast! I’ll be skipping Zen 3 Threadripper, and may get SPR or Zen4 TR Pro next. Apple Silicon Mac Pro is also of great interest to me.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I have both a 7551, and dual 7601's. Not as fast or efficient as Zen 2 32 core, but go OK for the CPU price. ($300 for 7551P or $425 for 7601, faster) Now memory and motherboard will cost, especially since it only makes sense to get 128 gig. and the motherboard is $500 and up. Now what makes more sense, but is not as fast as threadripper pro, is a Rome 32 core 7542, $2000 !

That is why I said I am interested in a 7601, as they are dirt cheap right now on ebay and I would have the option of upgrading to a Epyc Rome when they drop in price a little later on. The dang motherboards and ram prices are a little high right now but totally doable as a piece together over time project.

I cant say I am not totally jealous that you not only have one but two 7601's. That is fricken amazing in my book and to me like an entire next level of computing greatness. One day I will get there I hope. And it feels like just yesterday when I was drooling over and wishing for dual core cpu's.. My my how far we have come since then.

 

[Markfw]

That is why I said I am interested in a 7601, as they are dirt cheap right now on ebay and I would have the option of upgrading to a Epyc Rome when they drop in price a little later on. The dang motherboards and ram prices are a little high right now but totally doable as a piece together over time project.

I cant say I am not totally jealous that you not only have one but two 7601's. That is fricken amazing in my book and to me like an entire next level of computing greatness. One day I will get there I hope. And it feels like just yesterday when I was drooling over and wishing for dual core cpu's.. My my how far we have come since then.

Make sure the motherboard you get says it will work with series 7001 and 7002 or something like that. You need both bios for running first a 7601 and then a 7542.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Make sure the motherboard you get says it will work with series 7001 and 7002 or something like that. You need both bios for running first a 7601 and then a 7542.

Wow Newegg has this deal going right now..
Edit 2: Nm it was from a 3rd party seller..

Edit : I also Like this mobo GIGABYTE MZ72-HB0

 

[Markfw]

Wow Newegg has this deal going right now..
Edit 2: Nm it was from a 3rd party seller..

Edit : I also Like this mobo GIGABYTE MZ72-HB0

I do NOT like any gigabyte EPYC motherboards.

As for the deal, its not great, $425 each on ebay + about a $600 motherboard (maybe 650) it $1500, so not bad. Thats 64 cores/128 threads and upgradability to Rome (7002 series, says its revision 2.0)

And I think I have that motherboard, but revsion 1.0, so I can't upgrade. You need a dual CPU plug PSU to use it.
You also need 2 kits of this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08WTB1FHJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
For $1270 more, and 2 of these to cool them. $180

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074DX2SX7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

So, almost $3000 but 128 threads, and upgradeability.

 

[eek2121]

It is still coming. You just have to buy it from Lenovo, in a computer. Are you dense ? Certainly not a genius.

For now.

Please add a statement or explanation when just dropping a video. Not trying to sound snobbish, but I am very stingy about clicking videos and links considering how much low effort content and clickbait is out there.

Luckily I could figure out the gist from the discussion. AMD is starting to behave like Intel with its product portfolio. I am not that happy about it, but that's 100% what you should expect since they aim to be as successful, as others have said its the only way considering how the business works. So while I dislike the fact that they're launching a nonsensical 5500 6c/6t, that 5800X has had a stupid pricing all along WRT price/core in the lineup, and that TR and above has not been predictable at all for 3 years, it all checks out when it comes to maximizing profit.

Tempted to not even touch that comment, but I'll bite. Business is business. The type of person that would buy Threadripper is the typically type of person that would want the system pre-built and pre-validated. These chips + the motherboard and RAM to power them cost 5 grand or more (8 sticks of RAM, motherboard, and CPU alone are going to cost north of $3,000, if not more). They aren't for gaming, they are going to perform worse then Ryzen in those type of workloads. They are for productivity. Time = money for productivity workloads. Building a custom PC takes A LOT of time. Validating a custom PC? heh.

I build my own PCs, I also generate cashflows from my machines. The ONLY reason I build my PC is because I also game and I'm a control freak when it comes to my daily driver. I've been contemplating picking up a 64 core Zen 3 Threadripper for the productivity stuff. I almost grabbed the Zen 2 version, however, Zen 3... I am waiting on Linux benchmarks to drop on Phoronix. Do I care if the system is a prebuilt? No, actually, I prefer not to spend hours/days assembling a machine and validating it. I can squeeze $300-$400/hour out of a contract easily, why would I waste several dozen hours of that time validating a custom-built machine? I could just as easily take a small vacation if I didn't want to get paid money. It would be much more enjoyable than putting together and validating a machine with a 280W CPU and 8 sticks of DDR4.

The Threadripper you know today isn't the Zen 1/Zen+ Threadripper. Threadripper has evolved to become a workstation chip. On Intel you'd buy Xeon, for example. The 3950x, and now, the 5950x, have replaced the original Threadripper.

 

[aigomorla]

I heard ThreadRipper Pro's are just EYPC's that failed validation, which to me honestly is sort of sad.
This is why you can not overclock a TR Pro, and why they also have double the PCI-E lanes.

Basically its throwing HEDT into a waste bin of refurb because it fails to meet enterprise standards, when HEDT was supposed to be a prosumer branch off of enterprise.

I really want a decent HEDT market segment, or give consumers 40+ PCI-E lanes native directly to the CPU instead of a lousy 24.
Is it really that difficult to do that if they are gonna put HEDT into the refurb section of Enterprise?

 

[dnavas]

There is no evidence of pent up demand

The pricing is your evidence, there is demand that exceeds supply.

 

[The Hardcard]

I don’t know if this guy has any credibility, but Youtuber Tech Tech Potato claims that other companies already have samples and are validating their hardware. Lenovo’s exclusivity is apparently for just one quarter.

Sounds like DIY will have them later this year. If you had a non-Pro setup, you would have buy a new, more expensive mobo on top of the more expensive chips.

 

[ryanjagtap]

I don’t know if this guy has any credibility, but Youtuber Tech Tech Potato claims that other companies already have samples and are validating their hardware. Lenovo’s exclusivity is apparently for just one quarter.

Sounds like DIY will have them later this year. If you had a non-Pro setup, you would have buy a new, more expensive mobo on top of the more expensive chips.

Tech Tech Potato is Dr. Ian Cutress. And he didn't say anything about DIY availability, it was just Lenovo getting head start in selling them. Other vendors will be HP, Gigabyte, etc...

 

[scineram]

The pricing is your evidence, there is demand that exceeds supply.

I’m not familiar with that. How is the pricing? Are we talking used chips? I do know that in the Mindfactory sales data I never see TR chips or TRX40 boards.

 

[jpiniero]

I heard ThreadRipper Pro's are just EYPC's that failed validation, which to me honestly is sort of sad.

You could say that about the sub-64 core models yeah. But you could also say that about the Ryzens too.

 

[coercitiv]

We could also say that every Threadripper Pro chiplet passes Threadripper validation, but where's the fun in that?!

 

[Thunder 57]

Tech Tech Potato is Dr. Ian Cutress...

Pretty sure that was a joke.

 

[dnavas]

I’m not familiar with that. How is the pricing? Are we talking used chips? I do know that in the Mindfactory sales data I never see TR chips or TRX40 boards.

There are a few 3970s for sale, but absolutely none of them are anywhere close to MSRP. That implies demand > supply. Of course, without supply, the total size of the demand isn't clear.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Pretty sure that was a joke.

Think again!

https://www.youtube.com/c/TechTechPotato/community

 

[The Hardcard]

Tech Tech Potato is Dr. Ian Cutress. And he didn't say anything about DIY availability, it was just Lenovo getting head start in selling them. Other vendors will be HP, Gigabyte, etc...

I was trying to make a joke. And he said that Asus has beta BIOS’s for their motherboard as he showed their DIY WRX80 motherboard. I don’t know why Asus would that if they weren’t expecting customers to have access to the new chips.

 

[Thunder 57]

Think again!

https://www.youtube.com/c/TechTechPotato/community

No, I meant that the joke was that this guy TechTechPotato could be trusted. Pretty sure poster knew it was Ian. That being the joke. See above. Apparently it went over plenty of heads.

 

[iamgenius]

It is still coming. You just have to buy it from Lenovo, in a computer. Are you dense ? Certainly not a genius.

Probably not a genius, but non-pro Zen3 threadripper is not coming. I want it customized. I want to build the pc myself and I want this pc to be based on the new threadripper. It is Obvious. There is no need to pick on me.