I'm trying to move things forward here. I'd rather not waste more energy and just focus on actual verifiable information that tends to surface on a daily basis. My original reply was actually sarcastic (the mb maker info is even older than that AMD guidance table), so rest assured I understand your point of view.That was NOT in his post. Maybe in the link, but we don't all click on every link.
So my question is, why did you have to bring this out, and he did not.
C'mon Larry, the R5 2600 is $145 as we speak, and it's bound to go even lower. This is crazy, AMD is practically throwing 6 core CPUs at us.Honestly, that's actually rather kind of wierd, that the new X570 boards, won't support the cheaper, older, 1st-Gen Ryzen CPUs. I could have seen picking up some really nice X570 boards, with some cheap $120 or less Ryzen R5 1600 CPUs as placeholders, until the AM4 16C/32T monster gets released.
Nice. I don't normally shop at Amazon (personal preference), so I didn't know. That's a great price, btw. You're right, AMD is really chucking their 6-cores CPUs over the wall, at rather amazing prices.C'mon Larry, the R5 2600 is $145 as we speak, and it's bound to go even lower. This is crazy, AMD is practically throwing 6 core CPUs at us.
that has CC caption, and I watched the whole thing. WOW. Too bad I am not an investor, or I would be buying AMD stock, at least for 2 years.
Anyway, the fact the the MOTHERBOARD max socket power is 300 watts on x570 is amazing. WOW, what overclocks can we see ?
Personally I think that applies more to the 3800x then the 3900x. AMD went out of their way to pump up the Single core clocks on the 3900x. But I am guessing that the 3800x holds basically every other clock advantage. As for the 16c part when we do eventually see it. As Ryzen, TR, and SL-X have shown, between the mesh and everything else. Disabling 1-2 cores instead of a smaller die, saves very very little power. The 3900x might beat whatever the 16c part is named, but it won't be by very much, and AMD might do the same as they are here, giving it a low core use advantage.Not sure if you saw this, (does have CC), Robert says more Zen2 is coming at E3; these boards are ready for a 16c / 32t cpu, BUT, I'm guessing the 3900X is going to be clock king, as, it has two less cores per chiplet.
If it's anything like the original Ryzen launch. That's total of how many boards will be in the channel and not how many different boards will be available.
Joking of course.
At max load, the chip will try to keep 3.6 on all cores and 65w total power. 3800x is going to be 3.9 all core max load in 105w. So, if you do not want to OC, get the 3800x.
Ugh please no. I have one of the original X370 Taichi boards to ship to the US, and I had to pay a premium on eBay to get it. This was after Amazon stood me up on my C6H. Having flashbacks, urgghhhh
Where did you get those numbers? R7 2700x with the stock cooler and XFR will probably maintain clocks of 4 GHz all-core, sometimes higher (especially with a better HSF). I think the most I've ever seen anyone report a 2700x on XFR chew up is around 140W. Anyway, Matisse configured identically to a 2700x would consume somewhere in the ballpark of 70-75W (think I/O die) while maintaining a boost clock of 4 GHz. Maybe less. The 3800x has a power/cooling limit of 105W, so it could boost higher than that.
I've been sitting on an 4970k system for the past few years......... I'll be switching back to AMD 3900x for the next build. Last AMD build was an Athlon 64 system.
Have purchased:-
64GB PC3200 Ballistic Sport LT
Noctua DH-15 Cooler (although I read that the 3800x will ship with a cooler)
Fractal Design R6 case
2x 1TB PM961 NVMe sticks (These were on sale for $150 each - too good to pass up)
FSP Hydro PTM 750W 80 Plus Platinum
Will need to choose an X570 board - looking for at least 3x NVME slots and 8 Sata ports. May pick up a 2TB+ additional NVME drive down the road.
Primary use is software development; more cores help with compilation and particularly interested in the 2 x CCX configuration of 3900x to ensure that multi-threading is optimized for this type of processor topology. I'm anticipating that chiplets will be the way forward and software will need to be optimized for this (I'm a little concerned with Windows scheduler since I'm not sure if there is a way to force threads to run on a single CCX chiplet - which would be advantageous for some multi-threading. A believe Linux may be better on this front?)
I will be getting the 3900x, 16GB 3200 (Maybe 32. idk if extra memory would be better for game streaming or not), MB is TBD. I want to stream. I tried streaming with my 4790k but it struggled a bit.
Will sell my 2600X for a quick 3800X or even a 3900X upgrade...
Nice.
You going to try out TR3 when it drops?
I also thought it was wierd. But any information could be useful to someone.Honestly, that's actually rather kind of wierd, that the new X570 boards, won't support the cheaper, older, 1st-Gen Ryzen CPUs. I could have seen picking up some really nice X570 boards, with some cheap $120 or less Ryzen R5 1600 CPUs as placeholders, until the AM4 16C/32T monster gets released.
Wonder if this is a technical limitation (aren't they all AM4-compatible???), or a BIOS-size limitation (as there have been some documentation that as newer Ryzen CPUs and APUs have been released, older AM4 CPUs and APUs were dropped from the BIOS). If so, couldn't they just simply double the size of the BIOS flash EEPROMs? Wouldn't cost a heck of a lot more, and the X570 boards are in a price class, that I think that the mfgs could absorb those extra costs. Maybe ASRock will release an X570 board with 1st-Gen Ryzen CPU support (and thus, possibly, Win7 64-bit support???). Here's hoping.
Anyways, other than that, the chart looks good. I assume that the 2nd-Gen Ryzen Processors with Radeon Graphics, are the 12nm APUs, still fabbed at GF.
So far cheapest x570 board from MSI is gaming plus for 220euroAnyone worried that there are not going to be "budget" X570 boards?
I guess $200 ish?
I already have an X399 Taichi.
If they are as much as a TR board, I may pass on Zen2 until TR3 is out.
Ugh please no. I have one of the original X370 Taichi boards to ship to the US, and I had to pay a premium on eBay to get it. This was after Amazon stood me up on my C6H. Having flashbacks, urgghhhh