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Ajay

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Does 'client-type' 'advanced' work on CPUs like it does on GPUs? I'm getting more GPU WUs now (with lower PPD than I used to get), but I'm boom or bust on CPU WUs.
 

TennesseeTony

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My apologies, I mis-read your post.

Personal opinion: I am certain such an impressive milestone will be widely reported once that happens.
I imagine you're correct. It looks like they periodically update that OS stats page and leave it as a static page after each update, and I've been checking it daily to see if they are getting close to 2 exaflops.

I decided to go ahead and buy a EVGA 1660 super to play with - I did an inventory of my systems, and most are running 450 watt or 550 watt seasonic platinum power supplies, so the 1660 seems like a good power level to drop in those hosts. If I decide I want more PPD, I'll step up to a 2060 Super. Overall, I think I'm going to be updating all of my system - I'm really thinking I'm wasting power running the old AMD APUs and Core2 Quad, even if they would be sufficient to drive higher end video cards to fold.
 

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The great thing about a Silver/Gold or higher name-brand PSU is that they typically deliver 100% power, 24/7. Buy a cheapo 1000w unit, and you are lucky if they provide half that, short term, without failure. (not to mention the 2-3% efficiency gain [at least] with the better units). So congrats on the foresight to purchase those!

Personally, I have found this 'e-sport' VERY addictive. Try to up the game to the 2060 Super or better, is my suggestion. For example, I have 9 EVGA GTX 1070's, because the price hit the sweet spot of $200-ish ( used, ebay) each some months back. They Fold under Linux at about (going on memory) 650,000 ppd. And they are fairly efficient with a TDP of 150watts (going on memory again). My ONE 2080Ti however gets 3,000,000 ppd at 250W TDP!!!! One card (2080Ti) could replace 4.5 1070's! (Warmer weather has arrived, so I can't run the 1070s for this challenge, without incurring a huge energy bill).

All that said, your contribution is greatly appreciated!

PS: Not all projects perform so well with the 2080Ti....the quick return bonus system of F@H isn't implemented in other projects (although GPU Grid does award more for fast returns).
 
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StefanR5R

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Does 'client-type' 'advanced' work on CPUs like it does on GPUs?
In principle, yes. Quantitatively it is hard to say from the outside. The announcements when projects are moved to "advanced" or to "full" are public, but this doesn't show the volume of the work, nor its relation to current computing capacity.
 
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Endgame124

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The great thing about a Silver/Gold or higher name-brand PSU is that they typically deliver 100% power, 24/7. Buy a cheapo 1000w unit, and you are lucky if they provide half that, short term, without failure. (not to mention the 2-3% efficiency gain [at least] with the better units). So congrats on the foresight to purchase those!
I've been using high end Seasonics for years now, as I like to get a good decade out of a PSU - prior to seasonics, I was using Antecs and PC Power and Cooling supplies. The "sweet spot" of the efficiency curve on any PSU is in the 40 to 60% of capacity range, so for a host with a 125W CPU and minimal of everything else, I would prefer a 300w supply, but there are rarely any quality supplies in that range, so I've ended up with the lowest power premium unit for most of my hosts (~500watts, sometimes fanless because its the lowest voltage high end option). This may end up working to my advantage now that I'm looking at tossing some video cards that are more than just basic cards in these hosts. That said, the oldest of these supplies was purchased with the Q9650 in like... 2008, so its a 12 year old PSU that probably shouldn't run >75% max capacity for any significant amount of time.

Personally, I have found this 'e-sport' VERY addictive. Try to up the game to the 2060 Super or better, is my suggestion. For example, I have 9 EVGA GTX 1070's, because the price hit the sweet spot of $200-ish ( used, ebay) each some months back. They Fold under Linux at about (going on memory) 650,000 ppd. And they are fairly efficient with a TDP of 150watts (going on memory again). My ONE 2080Ti however gets 3,000,000 ppd at 250W TDP!!!! One card (2080Ti) could replace 4.5 1070's! (Warmer weather has arrived, so I can't run the 1070s for this challenge, without incurring a huge energy bill).
This review shows that the 2060 Super can pull > 250 watt on furmark, and a 2070 super can pull > 310 watts. https://www.anandtech.com/show/14586/geforce-rtx-2070-super-rtx-2060-super-review/15
I'm not sure if folding uses the same amount of juice as furmark, but it gives me a good max draw to consider when sizing with my existing PSUs.

The reason I went with the 1660 super is that it has nearly the same performance as the 1660 Ti, which is second in Points per Watt (only the 2080 TI is higher) and second in points per dollar (only the 2060 is higher). My goal is to keep my folding power budget within the excess power I generate from my home solar panels - right now with 4 hosts folding / running rosetta, I'm producing about 34 KWh extra / day on a sunny day, but only about 6KWh extra / day averaged over the last week (cloudy days, what can I say). Since I'm constrained by power supplies and want to consider points per watt as well, I figured the 1660 Super would be a good first step. If I want more PPD I'll use the step up program to go to either the 2060 super or 2070 super for this card.

Long term, I've decided I'm going to update all of my systems to the sweet spot on CPU perf per watt scale, and revisit the high end video card option when the Nvidia 3xxxx series is released. Just replacing the Q9650 with a Ryzen 3700x would likely generate more points on rosetta than my 9650, A10-5800k, and A10-7870K combined, all at less power usage.


All that said, your contribution is greatly appreciated!

No problem! I don't get to game nearly as much as I used to, so this gives me a fantastic reason to play with computer hardware that I've been missing since I had kids.

PS: Not all projects perform so well with the 2080Ti....the quick return bonus system of F@H isn't implemented in other projects (although GPU Grid does award more for fast returns).

This is part of the reason I'm probably going to skip the really high end cards for most of my systems. I always keep 1 gaming system around though, and on that system I'll be looking at top end cards. Folding at home will just keep it busy while I'm not gaming
 

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704 million ahead... I think its fair to say (unless some of you guys quit early, please don't)

That we have won this one !

Not even close to considering quitting, gonna be adding a 3900x hopefully this week and loading up at least 20 of those threads. Should not be a issue unlike the 7700k and its pathetic 52k holding back the gpu. Maybe add a gtx285 with 20 odd hours on it? I doubt that thing will be worth using lol. I did set a affinity of 5 threads on the 7700k just now, maybe it could run without stressing out the ppd of the gpu?

Edit: other rig is off limits till friend goes out of town, he complained about slow performance and couldn't figure out how to pause the client. Kind of stuck in his old ways given he is 63.....
 
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mopardude87

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Waddya say, Sonny?! Speak up! All I hear is open header exhaust sound!

Fan noise!? Pfffft. These things are SILENT!

He complains about how everything is computer, he keeps talking about the good old days and how much more simple they were. He longs for the days of the pager again. I gag gifted him a pager and referenced a actual one in business but he still is using his cell. It's like taking someone out of 1995 and dropping him off here in 2020, that is how he reacts to ALL TECH. He can manage the browser and stuff but anything foreign takes almost training almost. Think that's bad? I knew a 96 year old who jumped like a rabbit when she saw a dvd rom tray open up in a dvd player back in 2008. She only used a radio her entire life from what i heard. She lived humbly but when she passed, they found tens of thousands of dollars hidden all in her house.

I feel like getting Denzel Washington when i need a motivational speaker to encourage him to learn how to pause/continue folding of the client. He hates the new age and longs for the old but he is tolerating it while sorta miserable about it. I think the time travel reference works here for sure.
 

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I am trying to put some work in on this. I've downloaded the client (twice now, actually) and started it but it refuses to download any work units. It keeps saying 'No WUs available for this configuration' and 'Could not get an assignment' (in the log). I'm on a laptop with i7-6700HQ and a GTX-1070. Should I give up again?
 

mopardude87

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I am trying to put some work in on this. I've downloaded the client (twice now, actually) and started it but it refuses to download any work units. It keeps saying 'No WUs available for this configuration' and 'Could not get an assignment' (in the log). I'm on a laptop with i7-6700HQ and a GTX-1070. Should I give up again?

Pause then resume folding, sometimes it sure in the heck helps me. May take a few mins but a good chance you will pick one up i think.
 
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mopardude87

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Anyone know the predicted ppd of a partially if not fully loaded 3950x? I went over the stimulus amount and what was planned upgrade wise,i had my heart set on a 3900x but ultimately if i put off 2 things for a few weeks a 3950x certainly is affordable. I want as much cpu as my dollar can get me, not giving a damn if games only push 12 threads now, i wanna perhaps game/fold on it. Not even sure if folding could honesty push 32 threads? Can it?

Not even sure if folding on both cpu+gpu will still present the bottleneck the 7700k provides when loaded? I wouldn't mind casually loading up 28 threads when not gaming to folding, at least 24 currently for what i play.

A NH-D15 cooler and MP600 1TB nvme was all i planned to put off 2 weeks, I did dump like $40 off my budget not going rgb on the ram but at this point i care purely about function over looks. It comes like right to about $1,200 its almost meant to be. No issues spending the coin, just need to warrant folding actually putting it to use.
 

StefanR5R

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Anyone know the predicted ppd of a partially if not fully loaded 3950x?
Currently, PPD on CPUs is almost meaningless, due to an extreme range between CPU projects with very low PPD and ones with very high PPD.

Not even sure if folding could honesty push 32 threads?
It can honestly push 128 threads. Maybe more, but I don't have more to try. B-)
 

IEC

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Anyone know the predicted ppd of a partially if not fully loaded 3950x? I went over the stimulus amount and what was planned upgrade wise,i had my heart set on a 3900x but ultimately if i put off 2 things for a few weeks a 3950x certainly is affordable. I want as much cpu as my dollar can get me, not giving a damn if games only push 12 threads now, i wanna perhaps game/fold on it. Not even sure if folding could honesty push 32 threads? Can it?

Not even sure if folding on both cpu+gpu will still present the bottleneck the 7700k provides when loaded? I wouldn't mind casually loading up 28 threads when not gaming to folding, at least 24 currently for what i play.

A NH-D15 cooler and MP600 1TB nvme was all i planned to put off 2 weeks, I did dump like $40 off my budget not going rgb on the ram but at this point i care purely about function over looks. It comes like right to about $1,200 its almost meant to be. No issues spending the coin, just need to warrant folding actually putting it to use.

Mine bounced anywhere from 20K to 520K depending on the WU. The higher PPD estimate WUs were rarer, though. With the (relative) heat wave of yesterday and today I've disabled CPU folding and have my bedroom machine turned off, but I'll likely fire up all the space heaters folding rigs tonight as the next cold front moves in.
 
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