Again production capacity not actual fabs. Let me see if I can pull anything up.
Again production capacity not actual fabs. Let me see if I can pull anything up.8(!) Fabs @ 5-7N Do you have a link? Haven’t read this (read about one new fab @ TSMC and expansions @ Samsung).
Yes because Intel 7nm should still be competitive with TSMC 3nm
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How'd you figure that?
Yup. That’s what I meant.Density wise, it should be closer to TSMC's 3 nm than 5 nm... but that's just a projection.
Considering Intel effectively has a LP and a HP node as well with the density of the HP version decreasing as they up the room for frequency increases especially on high end desktop (which 99% of the board focus on) I'm not sure the (lowest possible) density of a node as is tells us much at all. Will Intel's 7nm be able to rival TSMC's contemporary node (whatever that will be) in power efficiency, core count and upper limit of operating frequency reachable? Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Taking the experience with Intel's 10nm into consideration managing all that at once will be a hard job for Intel.Density wise, it should be closer to TSMC's 3 nm than 5 nm... but that's just a projection.
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That delicious FUD.Density wise, it should be closer to TSMC's 3 nm than 5 nm... but that's just a projection.
That delicious FUD.
I'm nominating you for the diplomatic corp.https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2261/tsmc-announces-6-nanometer-process/
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2293...and-packaging-plans-10nm-in-june-7nm-in-2021/
Wikichip's estimates have TSMC's 5 nm at 171 Mtr/mm2 and Intel's 7 nm at 237. TSMC 3 nm would probably be in the 240-250 range.
Now I will say that the Intel estimate is a tad optimistic and of course design densities will vary.
I genuinely wonder how anyone takes intel slides seriously in the year 2019.https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2261/tsmc-announces-6-nanometer-process/
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2293...and-packaging-plans-10nm-in-june-7nm-in-2021/
Wikichip's estimates have TSMC's 5 nm at 171 Mtr/mm2 and Intel's 7 nm at 237. TSMC 3 nm would probably be in the 240-250 range.
Now I will say that the Intel estimate is a tad optimistic and of course design densities will vary.
I genuinely wonder how anyone takes intel slides seriously in the year 2019.
What is the actual Mtr/mm2 of skl and ryzen1 ?Intel does seem to be hitting the density improvement claimed with 10 nm (over their 14), the problem is of course yields.
What is the actual Mtr/mm2 of skl and ryzen1 ?
Which is exactly why comparing Intel's 7nm density with TMSC's 5nm or 3nm is meaningless for the products we mostly talk about in this subboard, consumer CPUs.No actual numbers but the Pinacle Ridge die is denser than Skylake Client die. But of course you are measuring different things, and Intel gives up a lot of density for that mhz.