Auto workers in TN vote to Unionize!

[MrSquished]

After six total piece of shit sub-human southern Trump party Governors warned against auto workers unionizing in the south, which hasn't evolved for decades and where the right wing white party has little to no humanity, the Volkswagen factory workers there did in fact vote to unionize in South Carolina. Fuck you Trump party pond scum.

Sorry I'll have to come up with a better insult, I don't mean to insult pond scum like that. But anyway

Volkswagen workers vote yes to unionizing, igniting UAW's push to organize the South

Volkswagen workers in Chattanooga, Tenn., voted overwhelmingly to unionize with the UAW, setting a new trajectory for labor unions in the American South.

www.southcarolinapublicradio.org

 

[BoomerD]

Won't be long before the governor or state legislature over-rules the workers' vote.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Congrats to the workers and UAW.

I work in a UAW plant but I'm in engineering and not union. It is an interesting dynamic between union and non-union, and there's even friction within the Union (capital U) and the sub-units. But I have 0 doubt that the UAW overall protects our workers from exploitation and works to improve their wages/benefits.

 

[MtnMan]

Uhh, I hate to tell you this, but Chattanooga is in Tennessee, not South Carolina.

But still a red state with shit for brains governor...

 

[pcgeek11]

After six total piece of shit sub-human southern Trump party Governors warned against auto workers unionizing in the south, which hasn't evolved for decades and where the right wing white party has little to no humanity, the Volkswagen factory workers there did in fact vote to unionize in South Carolina. Fuck you Trump party pond scum.

Sorry I'll have to come up with a better insult, I don't mean to insult pond scum like that. But anyway

Volkswagen workers vote yes to unionizing, igniting UAW's push to organize the South

Volkswagen workers in Chattanooga, Tenn., voted overwhelmingly to unionize with the UAW, setting a new trajectory for labor unions in the American South.

www.southcarolinapublicradio.org

Edit @MtnMan beat me to it...

 

[Indus]

Edit @MtnMan beat me to it...

Didn't you have a governor who went AWOL in your state for an Argentine mistress or something??

 

[MrSquished]

Uhh, I hate to tell you this, but Chattanooga is in Tennessee, not South Carolina.

But still a red state with shit for brains governor...

Thanks for the correction. I just happened to have just read the absolutely evil shitty Trump party governor of SC talking about how terrible unions were and just had a brain fart typo.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks for the correction. I just happened to have just read the absolutely evil shitty Trump party governor of SC talking about how terrible unions were and just had a brain fart typo.

You did better than me. I thought it was a kind of choo choo train:

But in my opinion those stinking socialist states that allow unionization ought to succeed from this sacred capitalist nation of ours and go their own way. Remember the Alamo. Next thing you know and motor homes will cost as much as a house and bread will be 8 dollars a loaf.

 

[BoomerD]

You did better than me. I thought it was a kind of choo choo train:

But in my opinion those stinking socialist states that allow unionization ought to succeed from this sacred capitalist nation of ours and go their own way. Remember the Alamo. Next thing you know and motor homes will cost as much as a house and bread will be 8 dollars a loaf.

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[Moonbeam]

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I know. Check Amazon for Acme Bread cranberry walnut. It’s 9.50 a loaf. In store I get it for 8.00. I know a lot about the horrors of socialism and labor. I had a business I bought and was saving lots and lots of money by cutting labor cost before I had to declare bankruptcy because all my workers lost lots of weight and died. Covid, I guess.

 

[BoomerD]

I know. Check Amazon for Acme Bread cranberry walnut. It’s 9.50 a loaf. In store I get it for 8.00. I know a lot about the horrors of socialism and labor. I had a business I bought and was saving lots and lots of money by cutting labor cost before I had to declare bankruptcy because all my workers lost lots of weight and died. Covid, I guess.

The Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote taught me to never buy anything from the Acme company…

 

[Moonbeam]

The Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote taught me to never buy anything from the Acme company…

Somehow, I guess, I escaped such traumatic exposure but I can now sympathize with your concern. I probably saw them back when but the company name never stuck. I am sort of word blind. It's why I can't spell.

 

[pcgeek11]

Didn't you have a governor who went AWOL in your state for an Argentine mistress or something??

Yeah it was Mark Sanford. Went down to get a little pussy.
What a turd.

What does this have to do with unions?

 

[skyking]

The Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote taught me to never buy anything from the Acme company…

I kid you not, my brother and I were on the way to visit our brother in North Vancouver and spotted this place.
https://acmepropshop.com/

Complete with Anvil

 

[Zorba]

Congrats to the workers and UAW.

I work in a UAW plant but I'm in engineering and not union. It is an interesting dynamic between union and non-union, and there's even friction within the Union (capital U) and the sub-units. But I have 0 doubt that the UAW overall protects our workers from exploitation and works to improve their wages/benefits.

I've never worked with a UAW shop, but I have worked with union and non-union shops in aviation. I would take the quality and skill of a union shop any day without question. The biggest reason, besides for time in position, is union guys don't feel like they have to hide their fuck ups. Non-union shops punish people for simple mistakes so people hide them. Union shops tend to fix the process, non-union shops fire people and pretend that will fix the issue.

 

[pcgeek11]

Not so much with Boeing at the moment...

 

[brycejones]

Not so much with Boeing at the moment...

So the union is at fault for Boeing’s issues is that your opinion?

 

[pcgeek11]

So the union is at fault for Boeing’s issues is that your opinion?

No just devils advocate for this statement from @Zorba :

"The biggest reason, besides for time in position, is union guys don't feel like they have to hide their fuck ups. Non-union shops punish people for simple mistakes so people hide them. Union shops tend to fix the process, non-union shops fire people and pretend that will fix the issue."

 

[tweaker2]

Unions created the Middle Class. Unions lead the way toward wage and benefit increases that non-union shops must compete with, thereby directly benefitting the workers from non-union shops. Unions level the playing field where collective bargaining gives the workers a unified voice, whereas non-union shops have their employees dealing with the entirety of management, a distinct disadvantage for the employee except for those individuals who have skills that are negotiable, yet every one of them is still totally outgunned as far as bargaining for increases in wage and benefits.

As has been said many times before, Unions would not exist if there was no need for them.

That being said, of course there is the downside to unionizing, especially in the case where corrupt union officials are in play or where outstanding individual qualifications and potential are dismissed. Yet from a wider perspective unions are much more beneficial to the working class folks of America than not.

 

[BoomerD]

Not so much with Boeing at the moment...

Boeing...trying to cut their way to progress...hiring bean counters to run the company instead of engineers...

Boeing hires accountant as boss - but Airbus's is an engineer

Boeing's decision to hire a trained accountant as its CEO - while rival Airbus's boss is an engineer - has come under fresh scrutiny after yet another safety drama.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/business/boeing-ceo-dave-calhoun/index.html

 

[tweaker2]

Boeing...trying to cut their way to progress...hiring bean counters to run the company instead of engineers...

Boeing hires accountant as boss - but Airbus's is an engineer

Boeing's decision to hire a trained accountant as its CEO - while rival Airbus's boss is an engineer - has come under fresh scrutiny after yet another safety drama.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/business/boeing-ceo-dave-calhoun/index.html

I used to work at a tool and die shop where I was the machine shop foreman (later moved on as production mgr.). It was a constant struggle to acquire the proper machinery for the jobs assigned to me. The paperwork I was being required to fill out to justify even the smallest consumables was ridiculous and really ate into the time allowed for each project. On the one hand I was required to be hands on in the toolmaking shop while supervising my team's efforts at completing projects on time or better, yet the beanies kept me at the desk filling out progress reports, acquisition requests and requests from HR for personnel reviews and justifications for raises for the crew members that I felt deserved merit raises. It was very fortunate that the crew was dedicated, knowledgeable and could be trusted sight unseen.

The most difficult part of the job was explaining to purchasing why we needed certain specialized tooling that was required for one-off projects when all they were concerned about was getting the cheapest versions of what I was requesting even after I specified the exact product that was required to get the job done at the highest level of efficiency. They were exclusively concerned with the front end cost of whatever I was requesting and never ever considered the cost savings accrued from how much longer the tooling I requested would last. I would end up getting cutting tools that wouldn't last a single shift so I'd reorder a higher quality tool specific to the job at hand, get the same shit quality stuff in return and then get complaints from purchasing of why I was reordering tooling so often. They didn't have the knowledge nor the qualifications to decide what was the most efficient tooling we required yet they felt they were the ones to make such critical decisions for our shop. I ended up going straight to the owner of the plant who had a particular interest in our shop and through him did an end-around on the purchasing pukes to get the right equipment and personnel for the mission at hand.

 

[Zorba]

Not so much with Boeing at the moment...

Considering there has been one incident in the last few decades caused by Boeing Union labor, I think they probably far exceed any non-union car factory.

MCAS on 737Max had nothing to do with union labor and the shop that screwed up the maintenance on the AOA vanes was a non-union house.

 

[skyking]

The MCAS thing was sales driven insanity. They sold the Max on the premise that no pilot training would be needed. Then the vast changes to the airframe made that really impractical, but they had the fix in with MCAS.

 

[Zorba]

The MCAS thing was sales driven insanity. They sold the Max on the premise that no pilot training would be needed. Then the vast changes to the airframe made that really impractical, but they had the fix in with MCAS.

Yup, and then the software was outsourced.

 

[brycejones]

This guy needs to be the new UAW spokesperson to plants they are trying to organize:

It's 13 minutes but the guy so completely nails it and says it in a way that workers can connect to.