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zinfamous

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You can get a credit line and keep it at zero, and it's there for emergencies. Pretty much walk up to a bank and ask. If you have a heart beat you should be able to get one. I got one around the same time I bought my house so I can have a buffer if anything comes up.

lolfuck how god damn ignorant can you be?
 

zinfamous

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Wages are fine, it's the costs of living that's the problem, it keeps going up each year which means that even a good wage doesn't go as far anymore. I mean, sure it would be nice if megacorporations paid their employees like 60 bucks an hour just because they can afford it, but guarantee they would still raise their prices which in turn just refuels inflation even more. Increasing wages is not the answer, reducing the costs of living is. It would be nice if you could actually save like half the money you make instead of like 95% of it going towards basic costs of living. Lowering taxes, eliminating CPP, EI and all the other deductions would help a lot too as that is the biggest cost of living we have. Look at your gross pay cheque, imagine actually getting to pocket all of that money.

this is just...uninformed claptrap.

do you read?
 

zinfamous

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Won't have anything like a subprime mortgage failure with the causes for that being regulated. Some other form of consumer credit/loan crisis, maybe. The data is lining up.

Auto loan delinquencies are also up year over year. People taking out loans with monthly payments out of line with monthly income at crazy rates and duration.

I recall that the primary reason the auto loan problem (which is serious) won't lead to any kind of grand crisis like sub-prime, is because this industry isn't really tied into anything else.

I assume there are some shit auto loans tied into junk investment packages that greedy funds are still gambling on, but nothing like the mortgage industry, and also you don't have secondary and tertiary markets that are tied into or dependent on auto loans, like you do with real property. Also, I think the worst of these loans tend to be in the used market and even moreso the predatory scam lease and repo market that specifically preys on poor people. Those markets don't really have a lot to do with making new cars, which could affect production--not quickly, anyway.
 

Red Squirrel

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lolfuck how god damn ignorant can you be?

Don't know why you're being condescending when what I said is true. Getting a credit line is not some weird process that's only obtainable to few. It's easy. I literally parked my car at the bank, walked in, asked to open an account, a credit line being one of those accounts, and had everything settled in less than half an hour. It's really not that complicated.
 
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Line of credit is easy to get if you have a credit history and some kind of assets. Generally a home that isn't fully mortgaged.

If you don't, you won't. It's one of those things for the haves, not the have-nots.
 

AdamK47

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A line of credit also helps keep people in debt. An emergency fund in a money market or high yield savings is obviously the way to go. You'll earn money just letting it sit.
 

IronWing

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A line of credit also helps keep people in debt. An emergency fund in a money market or high yield savings is obviously the way to go. You'll earn money just letting it sit.
I think going through twenty years of negative real interest rates on savings accounts soured people on them. With the Fed handing out free money to the banks, the banks saw no reason to offer anyone interest.

Low interest rates on savings definitely factored into us paying off our mortgage early even though the rate on the mortgage was close to the historic low.
 
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Red Squirrel

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A line of credit also helps keep people in debt. An emergency fund in a money market or high yield savings is obviously the way to go. You'll earn money just letting it sit.

If you have extra money this is the way to go, but if you don't, a credit line is still better than a credit card. But you also need to be disciplined. Just because you have credit available doesn't mean you should go out and spend it on something you don't need.
 

highland145

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One of my wife's many hats is on our section 8 housing authority board, in podunk S.C. The powers that be (government, I assume) said they weren't giving enough $ on vouchers, peeps couldn't find places to rent. The new rate was raised to $1200/mo. And rent in the poorer areas went to....$1200/mo. Imagine that? Now, peeps with no assistance are doubly fucked.
 

Fenixgoon

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One of my wife's many hats is on our section 8 housing authority board, in podunk S.C. The powers that be (government, I assume) said they weren't giving enough $ on vouchers, peeps couldn't find places to rent. The new rate was raised to $1200/mo. And rent in the poorer areas went to....$1200/mo. Imagine that? Now, peeps with no assistance are doubly fucked.
So what I'm seeing is a) there is a massive housing shortage b) capitalists are fucking ghouls

I was talking to my brother in law about renting my house if I moved. I'd charge basically the bare minimum (costs + maintenance ).

Because if I wanted to turn it into meaningful passive income, I'd be contributing to housing sustainability problems.
 

Thump553

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If you have extra money this is the way to go, but if you don't, a credit line is still better than a credit card. But you also need to be disciplined. Just because you have credit available doesn't mean you should go out and spend it on something you don't need.
My personal experience has been that I have never had (or been offered) a line of credit that is free, in fact I have noticed a whole lot of hidden/buried costs in the ones I've looked into. OTOH getting a totally free credit card is super simple and passes your heartbeat test. The trick is personal discipline-keep that card and don't use it except a purchase every few months to keep it alive (and pay in full every month which goes without savings).

Fiscal intelligence is definitely not associated with political philosophy. I've known dozens of so-called conservatives that spend like drunken sailors and have nothing saved ever.
 

highland145

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So what I'm seeing is a) there is a massive housing shortage b) capitalists are fucking ghouls

I was talking to my brother in law about renting my house if I moved. I'd charge basically the bare minimum (costs + maintenance ).

Because if I wanted to turn it into meaningful passive income, I'd be contributing to housing sustainability problems.
I've had section 8 rentals 20 years ago. Won't do that again. Tenants don't give a shit when they have no skin in the game. So they fuck it up and the owner has minimal recourse in SC. Ghouls renting to section 8? More like gluttons for punishment, imo.

Costs+maintenance+federal tax+state tax...I have a nice 2x2, 1450sqft unit. I'm taking ~$200 under market value in rent because she's an excellent long term tenant. Nearly 3 months rent goes to property tax/insurance/yearly dues. Add fed/state tax, with no repairs, 6 to 7 months belongs to me. Got a new roof coming up, guessing $5 to 6K and the appliances are 10ish years old. I bank the rent so I have it but I need 10 units to make a substantial income difference. Ha, maybe a migraine difference, too.


Side note, if you use a realtor, it could be considered passive income by the IRS. In my case, I can deduct expenses/depreciation to zero income but can't take the full losses until I sell. I prolly need to set up an LLC to fix this.
 

Torn Mind

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The distinction between public and private is really a false dichotomy when it comes to real property. Whoever is the "owner" is under an implicit legal obligation to make that property economically beneficial to the state. As such, adverse possession and squatting are concepts that legally compel people to make sure they just don't leave things sitting around. Then there's off-the-record crimes like vandalism committed by those in the know to speed up the process, by government employees' associates or friends of realtors.

The government as landlord shows its worst in military base barracks.
 

nakedfrog

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The distinction between public and private is really a false dichotomy when it comes to real property. Whoever is the "owner" is under an implicit legal obligation to make that property economically beneficial to the state. As such, adverse possession and squatting are concepts that legally compel people to make sure they just don't leave things sitting around. Then there's off-the-record crimes like vandalism committed by those in the know to speed up the process, by government employees' associates or friends of realtors.

The government as landlord shows its worst in military base barracks.
I spent a lot of my time growing up in military housing (for the enlisted, not officer's housing), and have seen the inside of quite a few barracks, and I think most of them were pretty decent.
 
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Fenixgoon

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The distinction between public and private is really a false dichotomy when it comes to real property. Whoever is the "owner" is under an implicit legal obligation to make that property economically beneficial to the state. As such, adverse possession and squatting are concepts that legally compel people to make sure they just don't leave things sitting around. Then there's off-the-record crimes like vandalism committed by those in the know to speed up the process, by government employees' associates or friends of realtors.

The government as landlord shows its worst in military base barracks.
and this is in the constitution or CFR where?

as long as you pay your taxes, you don't have to do shit with your property.
 

highland145

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and this is in the constitution or CFR where?

as long as you pay your taxes, you don't have to do shit with your property.
Not true. Your city/county can claim eminent domain.

Welcome to the jungle....


Side story, company wanted to run a gas line across SC to the coast. Previously, they had a major leak, so the peeps weren't in favor. It was already mapped to run through my in-laws farm. Sis in law asks about the graveyard. What? Yeah, the family graveyard that you want to run through....the project was cancelled, not from 1 graveyard, but prolly 100s. In SC, you can designate a part of your land to be a graveyard and that's the end of that.
 
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highland145

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lolfuck how god damn ignorant can you be?
Hey, I'm the asshole around here.

Red prolly can, boy scout and all. Plus 1 for him. Edit: you can too, wanker, @zinfamous



And I think the car repo issue is going to be massive. Payments more than my house ever was, when peeps make less. @Fenixgoon yes, I hope to make $ on the backs of car manufacturers ridiculous financing....repos


Wait, didn't the tax payers bail GM out for a massive loss before? Fuckers should have had to file BK.

@Thump553 True, unless the banks were suffering, but I paid for all the heloc closings.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Not true. Your city/county can claim eminent domain.

I always felt eminent domain was a horrible thing, it's shitty that the government or a big corporation can just decide to take your land and it's legal and nothing you can do about it. Interesting about the graveyard clause though. Would definitely be a way to prevent having your land taken from you if you setup a small graveyard site.

In Russia they did that for the Olympics. They showed up with a bulldozer and the police to escort you out of your own house and you get to watch everything you own and your whole life just be bulldozed and nothing you can do about it. It's a really shitty thing. You can't put a price on a home that you live in, that has all your memories and blood sweat and tears in it so even if they compensate you it's never going to be enough. You still need to try to find a place to live and start your life all over.
 

highland145

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Google Ellington, SC...Savannah river site. Peeps were screwed and never compensated. 100% cause they were black and on the Savannah river.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Not true. Your city/county can claim eminent domain.

Welcome to the jungle....


Side story, company wanted to run a gas line across SC to the coast. Previously, they had a major leak, so the peeps weren't in favor. It was already mapped to run through my in-laws farm. Sis in law asks about the graveyard. What? Yeah, the family graveyard that you want to run through....the project was cancelled, not from 1 graveyard, but prolly 100s. In SC, you can designate a part of your land to be a graveyard and that's the end of that.
eminent domain is the exception, not the rule.
 

zinfamous

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Don't know why you're being condescending when what I said is true. Getting a credit line is not some weird process that's only obtainable to few. It's easy. I literally parked my car at the bank, walked in, asked to open an account, a credit line being one of those accounts, and had everything settled in less than half an hour. It's really not that complicated.

jesus fucking christ. well I'm glad it's super easy for you in your world where only ~middle-class lilywhite red squirrels are the only humans that exist.

this is the overriding problem with your entire world view, and why everyone shits on you for good reason: your entire perspective is informed by only your life experience. Empathy is impossible for you. You have absolutely no clue how literally anyone else lives and what they face. This is impossible for you because you are a devout Christian, in it only for yourself.
 
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