Question From Ryzen 7 7800X3D to i7 14700K

Dave3000

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Anyone here think it's worth it to switch from a Ryzen 7 7800X3D / X670E platform to a i7 14700K / Z790 platform from a reliability standpoint? I've been having some weird issues in Windows 10 and 11 lately and I'm wondering if it's an AMD platform issue that might be solved by switching to an Intel platform or if it's just a Windows issue and not worth switching over. One issue was that my user data I redirected to my d: drive and then they disappeared after copying over by Flight Simulator packages folder from a backup using the robocopy command . This was shortly after a fresh Windows 10 installation including all drivers installed and my user folders redirected to my d: drive. Another issue is that I used to get application errors during shutdown in Windows 11 mentioning something about explorer.exe and that a certain memory address could not be written to if I have my XBox One Series X controller connected to my PC via USB but does not happen if I have it connected through Bluetooth. I think my RAM is fine since Memtest86 and Windows memory diagnostic testing did not find any memory errors. I think my CPU is fine as I ran OCCT CPU and Linepack and no errors were found. Also there are no WHEA errors showing in Event Viewer. As for the redirected user folders disappearing, I don't think that it's a virus or malware as it happened within 2 hours after installing Windows 10, and no installing questionable software. I don't think it's a failing SSD either because Samsung Magician software did not find any bad blocks and the SMART short and extended tests completed successfully with no error messages. Would switching to an Intel platform get rid of these issues or is something wrong with my motherboard, or are these Windows issues? Also I don't have anything in my system overclocked and I'm running my DDR5-5600 memory at DDR5-5200 speeds and therefore the memory controller on my CPU is running within spec.
 
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gdansk

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No, I don't think so.

Files disappearing is such a classic Windows update SNAFU that I wouldn't even consider hardware. Especially if you were using redirected folders.
 
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Dave3000

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No, I don't think so.

Files disappearing is such a classic Windows update SNAFU that I wouldn't even consider hardware. Especially if you were using redirected folders.
Then I might stick with what I have. I decided not to redirect my user folders to another drive at the OS level and just redirect them at the application level if given the option in an application to direct my Documents and Downloads folders that are located on my d: drive.
 

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Take from my experience absolutely not. I tried same thing and regretted it thinking well maybe more cores on same node is more future proof and give e-cores a chance and maybe 14th Gen better binned and more reliable than 13th Gen. But it was not any trouble specifically with e-cores and hybrid arch that made me regret my decision and go back to 7800X3D. It was reliability once again

And reliability was worse as even at stock, random BSODs and app errors despite passing every other stability test where as AMD works so well out of box no BSODs even with XMP and Buildzoid timings memory.

I had a mild undervolt offset of 0.05 applied with voltage on auto with HT off on a 14700K and intel stock limits enforced 253W PL1 and PL2 and 307A max current on msi Z690 Unify X. RAM was at 7000 XMP on 2 DIMM board and SA voltage undervolted to 1.2 to preserve IMC longevity. It passed every stability test including OCCT multiple tests, Prime95, TestMEM 5, multiple Y Cruncher versions and tests. CPU temp never exceeded 88C per HWINFO64 and max package [power was 253W and usually 235 to 240W for most extreme tests.

Then I decided I would run Cinebench to see what temps and score I get without HT and an 8 +12 config. Then I got an application error and I about puked. I researched and yes it is a stability issue. This despite passing every other test and having voltage and clocks on auto with a mild undervolt confirming either degradation even at intel limits enforced or just random instability.


I also had random issues in past with 13th Gen chips in manual vcore and static overlock/even underclock/undervolt where everything was stable and max temp was 90C until down the road a random WHEA error doing shader compilation in a game despite it passing that during my stability test only weeks ago last Summer.

So Cinebech app error was last straw for me despite me now enforcing intel limits and no more static voltage for intel 13th and 14th Gen.



So I ended up returning the intel stuff (14700K and 7000 MT/s 2 X 16GB RAM) and selling mobo I bought second hand and went back to 78800X3D and 2 X 16GB EXPO 6000 MT/s RAM.

I advise to stay away from high end Intel 13th and 14th Gen due to degradation issues and stability issues and nightmare to get above 6000 if even that DDR5 XMP speed RAM working with platinum stability without a 2 DIMM board.

Degradation and them degrading fast is very real for 13th and 14th Gen chips i7 and i9 chips. I assume i5 mid range and lower are fine. They probably degrade too but they have so much extra thermal and voltage headroom it does not matter so much due to less cores than i9 and i7 which have such high power limits and Intel 10nm they seem to be pushing too hard even with limits enforced with lots of dud CPUs that work poorly even out of box or degrade too fast.


AMD Zen 3 and especially Zen 4 do not have that fast degradation issue.

I mean google it you find no issues for Zen 4 regarding degradation:


Lots of issues in this thread and many say they do not even know what stock is for intel.


And then there is this above confirming much of it and many do not even know full story.

Intel 10nm appears to be a shame sadly with my experience. If you are going to use an Intel i7 or i9 Raptor Lake even with stock intel limits enforced, better use an AIO and no dual tower air cooler and keep temp 65C or lower. Just a gut feeling as it seems these chips are fragile and maybe that is the way to keep them safe if even that?? AMD Zen 4 chips meanwhile seem fine with running for years at 95C with minimal to no degradation as they have been out for 1 1/2 years and no results found for googling complaints regarding degradation for them.

Not to say that AMD does not have their own issues like the blowing up 3D chip parts due to too high SOC voltage. But I would rather have a failed right away chip that I can return or RMA and get a good one and get SOC corrected and thus a chip that is stable for years with almost no performance loss without BSODs or WHEAs popping up then a chip that degrades in a few months or 6 months or a year and I get random WHEAs or BSODs and not sure why until then boom I now know why.

Hopefully Intel Arrow Lake on the new 20A process node and TSMC or whatever its going to be on will be more like Intel 14nm and their 14nm +++ and refinements reliability (Which was good and did not have degradation issues from just mild abuse) at the high end and not 10nm reliability at high end.
 
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Dave3000

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Today I got an application error with a certain address message while I shutdown my PC in Windows 11 again. I thought that it was the USB connection on my XBox One Series X controller but this time I had it connected through Bluetooth, so it's not that. Also does almost dropping my CPU on the floor but catching it by clapping it against my shirt, through reflexes because I didn't want to drop it on the tile floor, could have static damaged my CPU, causing this application error on shutdown in Windows 11?
 
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Today I got an application error with a certain address message while I shutdown my PC in Windows 11 again. I thought that it was the USB connection on my XBox One Series X controller but this time I had it connected through Bluetooth, so it's not that. Also does almost dropping my CPU but catching it by clapping it against my shirt, through reflexes because I didn't want to drop it on the tile floor, could have static damaged my CPU, causing this application error on shutdown in Windows 11?
It’s still related to Xbox controller & Xbox game services. There’s a Xbox service that you have to manually disable to fix this issue.
 
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Dave3000

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It’s still related to Xbox controller & Xbox game services. There’s a Xbox service that you have to manually disable to fix this issue.
Will I still be able to play XBox Store purchased games, such as Flight Simulator if I do this?
 
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