FX-8370 beats i5-2500k in new games due to multithreading

[nathanddrews]

But I don't like this attitude either way of one side is irrelevant.

Isn't that how everything is now? LOL

 

[maddogmcgee]

Memory bandwidth requirements are mostly a function of the CPU architecture, though. New software won't modify the SB execution pipeline to make it more bandwidth hungry.

The results still aren't really valid since everyone and their pet hamster has overclocked their 2500K's. It shows AMD were on the right path with Bulldozer, but the execution was a total disaster.

Have a look at the table. Fast memory helps Sandt a lot these days. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...it-finally-time-to-upgrade-your-core-i5-2500k

 

[psolord]

I'm a little suspicious of how bad the 2500k looks there, but meh I kinda hope its true -- I want an excuse to upgrade!

Of course its impossible to compare results when no one in history has ran a 2500k stock.

Indeed.

That's because Intel themselves told us not to!

 

[Wuzup101]

My 2500k has served me well over the years. About a year ago I started considering upgrading to a 6 core intel processor (not because I needed it, but because I just wanted to build something new). I'm glad I waited, and will finally be able to seriously consider buying AMD again (I plan to get a 1700X or 1800X in the next 2-3 months).

Don't really think you'll find many 2500k's out there that weren't overclocked.

 

[nathanddrews]

I'm in the same boat except with a 3570K.

My 2500k has served me well over the years. About a year ago I started considering upgrading to a 6 core intel processor (not because I needed it, but because I just wanted to build something new). I'm glad I waited, and will finally be able to seriously consider buying AMD again (I plan to get a 1700X or 1800X in the next 2-3 months).

Don't really think you'll find many 2500k's out there that weren't overclocked.

 

[Greyguy1948]

An interesting CPU test has been published by computerbase.de. AMD's CPU beats Intel's by 11% in new games that rely on multithreading more than older games.

I think that a new era of true 6 and 8 core will have begun in mainstream CPUs market with the release of new Ryzen CPUs with their good prices and Intel's i7 prices will lower afterwards, especially after the release of 6 core Ryzen in 2 half of the year.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02...-test/#abschnitt_performancerating_in_full_hd

Sometime AMD is really good.
Look at this CF test:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1338

I would like to see Ryzen with CF.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Sometime AMD is really good.
Look at this CF test:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1338

I would like to see Ryzen with CF.

The more I see of anand's gaming tests, the less faith I put in them. Those results make absolutely no sense. Forgetting about Intel vs AMD, they show a haswell i3 beating both 4790k and 6700k. Really strange.

 

[Head1985]

An interesting CPU test has been published by computerbase.de. AMD's CPU beats Intel's by 11% in new games that rely on multithreading more than older games.

I think that a new era of true 6 and 8 core will have begun in mainstream CPUs market with the release of new Ryzen CPUs with their good prices and Intel's i7 prices will lower afterwards, especially after the release of 6 core Ryzen in 2 half of the year.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02...-test/#abschnitt_performancerating_in_full_hd

Test with slow ram=irrelevant.Not only SB, but also kaby lake is effected by crap memory speed in that test.
https://youtu.be/43g3OTK2AbE?t=299
http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

They used 2400Mhz for kabylake btw.Sweetspot for skylake/kabylake is 3600Mhz.

 

[nathanddrews]

That is really strange, especially since those are minimums.

 

[krumme]

They uses 2400Mhz for kabylake btw.Sweetspot for skylake/kabylake is 3600Mhz.

Sweetspot?
My sweetspot is 18 years olds with a model look.

Serious. Fast ram makes haswell faster too and sandy bridge. No difference. Always have been. Bo wonder.
Fortunately skl dont need in anyway 3600 ram as that would make it an even worse value than it is now.
This myth about skl is idiotic and just proves how slow progress have been. People needs lots of excuses.

 

[krumme]

That is really strange, especially since those are minimums.

Agree. Looks fishy. But often those ram test is kind of difficult. Frankly the results looks more like single channel to me.

Anyway its only 8gb if its legit at all. And the 8gb kit is aprox 1.6 times more expensive as a 16Gb 3000 vengeance kit.

 

[Head1985]

This myth about skl is idiotic and just proves how slow progress have been. People needs lots of excuses.

Its not myth.Skylake/kabylake is just memory bandwidth bottleneck.Thats why stock 7700k with fast ram is 15% faster than 4.8Ghz 7700k in witcher3 with slow ram.
And yeah 3600Mhz is sweet spot because 4Ghz ram are not that faster and 3600mhz is still around 10% faster than 3000Mhz which is already 10-20% faster than 2133mhz ram.

Running skylake/kabylake with slower ram than 3000Mhz is like running GTX980TI at 1Ghz.

Haswell/SB also scale with faster ram but nowhere near as much as skylake/kabylake.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

Witcher 3 scales well with memory on any platform. Ryzen 1800x @ 3.6GHz ranges from 93-115 fps dependent upon RAM frequency. See other thread for posted results.

 

[Greyguy1948]

The more I see of anand's gaming tests, the less faith I put in them. Those results make absolutely no sense. Forgetting about Intel vs AMD, they show a haswell i3 beating both 4790k and 6700k. Really strange.

AMD looks better with Radeon than Geforce:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1364
or Intel looks better with Geforce than with Radeon.
SLI is better than CF if you look at the tests on Powerup (more games can use SLI)

 

[Geforce man]

So, testing an intel CPU from 2011, that is at stock speeds, versus a 1Ghz higher chip, with faster ram. Seems legit. Take a 2500k @ 4.5Ghz (I have yet to find or hear of a single 2500k that doesn't do so) stick it with 1866 c9 ram, and re-do the test. If the 8370 still wins, then I will concede that it has nothing to do with anything other than more cores.

That is all.

 

[Spjut]

I think it's legit to test with the officially supported RAM speeds and stock speeds. That's probably what most users ended up using too.

While it's good to see even more proof that modern games are using more than four cores/threads, the FX 8370 users had to wait for years for that to happen. Meanwhile, i5 was superior in poorly threaded games, and i7 was superior in both.

 

[richaron]

I think it's legit to test with the officially supported RAM speeds and stock speeds.

Of course it's legit, it's stupid to think otherwise. Testing at official speeds gives meaningful information even if there are other data points available.

These "enthusiasts" with tunnel vision are just like any other "enthusiasts" who are somewhat detached from reality. See car people saying something similar about cars; "nobody drives a <insertcarname> without a tune and an aftermarket exhaust so testing a stock car is completely useless". Flashlight people are the same about their batteries and kitchen knife people are the same about their sharpening stones, and so on.

Of course knowing how far the end users can push a product past stock is interesting, but testing at stock is also important. In fact stock results are much more important as a scientific, objective, baseline. "Blah blah blah i don't think blah" about CPU/RAM clocks is not a concrete data point.

 

[Wuzup101]

Of course it's legit, it's stupid to think otherwise. Testing at official speeds gives meaningful information even if there are other data points available.

These "enthusiasts" with tunnel vision are just like any other "enthusiasts" who are somewhat detached from reality. See car people saying something similar about cars; "nobody drives a <insertcarname> without a tune and an aftermarket exhaust so testing a stock car is completely useless". Flashlight people are the same about their batteries and kitchen knife people are the same about their sharpening stones, and so on.

Of course knowing how far the end users can push a product past stock is interesting, but testing at stock is also important. In fact stock results are much more important as a scientific, objective, baseline. "Blah blah blah i don't think blah" about CPU/RAM clocks is not a concrete data point.

Well to be honest, though I do agree with your analogy to cars, etc. The 2500k was marketed directly to overclockers and there was a cheaper non o/c friendly version sold to the mass market. While I'm sure there are people that purchased 2500k processors with no intent in overclocking them, I'd venture to guess that they were the minority non the majority (as they had to pay extra for the privilege to be able to o/c them).

 

[richaron]

Well to be honest, though I do agree with your analogy to cars, etc. The 2500k was marketed directly to overclockers and there was a cheaper non o/c friendly version sold to the mass market. While I'm sure there are people that purchased 2500k processors with no intent in overclocking them, I'd venture to guess that they were the minority non the majority (as they had to pay extra for the privilege to be able to o/c them).

Valid points.

To be honest I'd already considered this and half-heartedly constructed analogies about encrypted car management and proprietary flashlight batteries; but there's only so far an analogy can go...

After seeing the number of "future proof", "I plan on", and "why did you waste money on a K" comments/threads here I would honestly be interested in seeing on what percentage of people actually overclock their K's. I would hope it's all of them, but I would bet my left testicle that's not reality.

In any case, I do stand by the gist of my initial post.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The FX have aged well. Software is taking advantage of more cores more regularly today. Intel's approach was definitely better balanced, but as software becomes increasingly multi threaded the FX will look better and very competitive.

 

[b-mac]

I think the important thing this shows is that 4 cores is not going to be enough going forward. If your budget allows it you need to spring for the i7 or equivalent Ryzen versions when they are released. I've have people argue with me saying an i5 is enough for gaming but this clearly shows this isn't true as new games continue to release.

 

[TheELF]

I've have people argue with me saying an i5 is enough for gaming but this clearly shows this isn't true as new games continue to release.

How is the i5-7600K at stock getting 80FPS avg in the most multithread demanding games showing clearly that the i5 is not enough anymore?

 

[ElFenix]

i've not overclocked my 3570k.


i should probably step down as a mod

 

[riggnix]

Lol. Overclock both and see who wins. My old 2500k hits 4,5 ghz.

FX should overclock higher. My 8350 runs @ 5 GHz on air...

 

[StrangerGuy]

How is the i5-7600K at stock getting 80FPS avg in the most multithread demanding games showing clearly that the i5 is not enough anymore?

The same fantasy world where purely ST limited games don't exist since 2011.