Discussion Handheld PC Gaming devices

[gorobei]

MSI has entered the ring. (with an intel soc)
premature release of marketing docs ahead of CES reveal.

MSI CLAW gaming handheld leaked, features Intel Core Ultra 7 155H with Arc graphics and 32GB memory - VideoCardz.com

MSI handheld leaked MSI to compete with ASUS and Lenovo with a brand-new handheld. MSI CLAW, Source: @wnxod Less than 24 hours since MSI’s first teaser on social media and we now have a picture, name, and full specs of the upcoming device. This gaming handheld is called CLAW, and it will be...

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MSI’s Steam Deck competitor has leaked, and it’s powered by an Intel Meteor Lake chip

We’ll likely see the Claw at CES.

www.theverge.com

the Claw [/cringe]
meteorlake 6Pcore 8Ecore 2Lpcore
32gb ram

they will seriously need to step up the performance of the alchemist gpu units or this is dead in the water for AAA modern games. the retro emulation could be ok if the low power cores can improve the battery life. though intel could probably spare the engineers to make sure the cpu uses the bare min of the tdp and the rest goes to gpu.

[edit]
CES hands on with engineering samples.

MSI Claw hands-on: the Steam Deck rival with Intel inside

A lot hangs on an unproven Intel processor.

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7" ips (msi say they will support VRR)
53 whr batt
16gb ram
$700/750/800 configs
struggles(24fps) with modern games at 720p, needs to push power envelope to get any real fps.

going for extra battery life seems questionable. the 8840u with rdn3 is just around the corner and will have way more gpu using less power than the 7840. limiting the claw to being good at older/retro games with extra battery time puts you up against the steamdeck which is better optimized for low power.

 

[gorobei]

first linux handheld Orange Pi Neo.

what were they thinking: no exposed screws sounds like it makes it harder to mod, which should really attract linux users who are all about custom builds.

Orange Pi Neo Gaming Handheld Revealed, Powered by Ryzen 7 7840U

The Manjaro Linux team exhibited Orange Pi Neo gaming handhelds at the annual FOSDEM event this past weekend. Attendees were welcomed to play around with early examples at the KDE booth in Brussels, Belgium—Orange Pi expressed its ambition (last year) to expand its single-board operation into...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[gorobei]

ayaneo flip in 2 flavors DualScreen or KeyBoard

im guessing the 3ds generation was pretty huge so a jumbo sized emulator could be a draw.

 

[gorobei]

msi claw reviews are coming in....

general assessment is that there is a reason why there were no early samples to reviewers.

the good:

• same display as the Ally
• basic grip feel is good
• speakers are a little better than Ally
• hall effect sticks are nice
• the cooling vents are bigger

the bad:

• shoulder buttons are mushy and they moved the pivot location such that you need to use an uncomfortable grip to use them
• the software is a mess, the driver updates dont help much.
• the dpad is bad
• the soc is doomed. uses too much power, minimum 20W floor (compared to 10W and 15W on the competition), to get fps even close to the 7840u/Z1 you have to max out the power/fan/noise/heat and still come in 2nd place. most of the larger battery will get eaten up by the soc so you dont even get longer playtime.

the conjecture is that this is another 'intel paying a brand to stick their chip inside a product' either to stop amd from being the only name in the handheld market or to find somewhere to dump some of their chips to avoid bad laptop sales numbers (like those early 10nm chips they dumped on lenovo to be used in china-only laptops so they could say they met their forecast of delivering 10nm by such-n-such year). msi did the bare minimum work on this, the product design engineers did some nice work but it is clear that no one cared about bringing a solid product out.


on a more optimistic note:
someone stuck a Framework mainboard in a custom printed shell.

should be interesting to see what an amd board will do.

 

[gorobei]

phawx review of msi Claw or as one commenter put it: msi Flaw

7w idle power draw, horrible frame interval lows, fan doesnt ramp up so while quiet at full tdp it gets hot. at $100 more expensive than the Ally while delivering the same performance as steamdeck but having worse battery time.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

phawx review of msi Claw or as one commenter put it: msi Flaw

7w idle power draw, horrible frame interval lows, fan doesnt ramp up so while quiet at full tdp it gets hot. at $100 more expensive than the Ally while delivering the same performance as steamdeck but having worse battery time.

- Does this really surprise anyone though?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

- Does this really surprise anyone though?

The price does. It's the opposite of ARC dGPUs by offering terrible value for the money. AMD copies Nvidia. Now Intel copies AMD. That is Intel is using AMD's strategy of fleecing their loyal customers with initial pricing. I fully expect this to see a 20% price drop in a few months. Otherwise it'll gather dust. If they made enough of them to sit on shelves.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The price does. It's the opposite of ARC dGPUs by offering terrible value for the money. AMD copies Nvidia. Now Intel copies AMD. That is Intel is using AMD's strategy of fleecing their loyal customers with initial pricing. I fully expect this to see a 20% price drop in a few months. Otherwise it'll gather dust. If they made enough of them to sit on shelves.

-I'm sure the engineers already knew they had a turd on their hands a long time ago, this is probably shareholder bait to say Intel and MSI have something in the handheld space.

 

[gorobei]

GN sticks a fork in the claw.

steve was the first to actually buy one in the taiwan store however long after release, those things will be sitting on the shelves until the write-down.

intel had to have paid msi to make this, but it cant have been worth it. it damages the msi brand and doesnt do much for intel. it is priced like they dont want anyone to buy it. i dont think you can overcome such a horrible first impression.

 

[gorobei]

OneXPlayer X1 intel 3in1
10.95 inch display

they are taking the laptop replacement/tablet/handheld to the limit.
intel ultra7-155H 6P/8E/2LP cores
32/64gb
1/2/4 TB
2560x1600 120hz
harman audio
65Whr battery
$1100-1500 ($2000+ for bundle)

this is a tablet with laptop power that you can sort of game on depending on intel gpu driver status. for the sysadmin who messes with multiple farms while traveling it has the oculink. the weight and battery life means only short gaming sessions. the slide on controllers making it slightly less awkward than lugging around a gaming laptop and xbox controller.

if this was available with an amd apu, i would have a use for this because of the pen support. for art sketching the size is just barely tolerable, and the 11 inch screen for media consumption is a positive (assuming the kickstand can hold up).