Discussion ITT: We predict how low the price floor on 120GB/128GB SSD drops

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VirtualLarry

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Yeah, I've been snagging some of those 240GB BX500 drives, they're nice for both budget as well as mid-range builds.
 
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...like a 120gb hdd.. u dont think these are obsolete?

Toshiba and Samsung are producing 256Gb 96L 3D TLC dies.

And I suspect 256Gb 128L (and greater layer) 3D TLC or QLC is on the way. This because the small die is needed to feed the increased bandwidth of PCIe 5.0.

So I think 120GB and 128GB could be around longer than we thought. This, in contrast, 120GB HDDs which became obsolete because the capacity of a single platter grew much larger than 120GB.
 
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SimplyComplex

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I feel like those TeamGroup and "King Dian" drives are just destined for a short life. I know someone with a KingDian drive and it's horrible. Even worse than my 128gb DRAMless PNY(which is slower than a modern HDD). I feel like there's a minimum performance threshold an SSD has to meet, and the serious budget drives are lower quality than a lot of USB thumb drives. They appear to be using SD quality NAND for these drives.
 

VirtualLarry

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I feel like those TeamGroup and "King Dian" drives are just destined for a short life. I know someone with a KingDian drive and it's horrible. Even worse than my 128gb DRAMless PNY(which is slower than a modern HDD). I feel like there's a minimum performance threshold an SSD has to meet, and the serious budget drives are lower quality than a lot of USB thumb drives. They appear to be using SD quality NAND for these drives.
Is there some reason that you're including "Team Group" SSDs in with "King Dian" SSDs? Any personal experience with them? I haven't really had any problems with my Team Group SSDs. I had one of their MLC SSDs in a laptop for several years without issue, and one of their 480GB L5 Lite 3D (the gold ones), for maybe 6-12 months as well, no issues, performs fine.
 

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Is there some reason that you're including "Team Group" SSDs in with "King Dian" SSDs?
Price+retched reviews(and bad opinion of their ram from when I used to fix computers). Your MLC one is probably fine. The trash tier SSDs didn't exist until the 3D models hit. And it's almost exclusively the 128gb ultra budget models that crawl due to being ram starved. Most of these < $20 drives have neither DRAM, nor SLC caching. And that leads to performance death. With no DRAM but SLC caching present, you get lower performance, but better than an HDD. With neither? No, it's just trash. Performance is literally in the USB thumb drive range.

If anyone has a <$20 128gb 3D ssd from TeamGroup/KingDian/Silicon Power and it doesn't choke out to a trickle speed slower than an external HDD over USB 3 when transferring more than a few GBs, I'd be surprised. Even AData, PNY and Patriot have some trash 128g drives in the $20 range.

The worst part is, it's not even a major cost savings. The difference between the AData DRAMless/Non-SLC caching drive and the 128gb one with *both* DRAM and SLC caching is $6.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAJNU8XD5228
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA1K66587013

No, I just don't like these barebone drives at all. They're much, much worse and to save quite literally a few dollars.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Well, DRAM-less SDDs DO suck. My L5 Lite 3D NAND has DRAM cache and SLC caching, and the L3 Dark or whatever it was called was MLC (so no need for SLC caching), and I think probably DRAM cache too.

Part of the reality of today's NAND mfgs though, too, is that they are producing higher-density dies, so to make smaller (128GB-class) SSDs affordable, they don't put as many dies in the SSD to fill the channels on the controller chip as they should, to achieve proper parallelism (== performance). So yes, I agree, a cheap DRAM-less 128GB SSD is basically little more than a fancy thumb drive, albeit one with a better warranty and better wear-leveling.

But that kind of falls under caveat emptor and all of that too, because it has been known since the beginning of SSDs, that the smallest SSDs out of a family perform worse than the larger capacity ones of the same model family, and oftentimes, the benchmarks claimed for the drives, are of the largest drive of that model family, and then they just plaster those benchmarks on all of the drives of that family on down. (Granted, many mfgs these days do better, and quote benchmarks and TBW individually for each drive model. At least, Team Group's specs for their newest GX1 and GX2 drives do.)

Edit: One of the really well-performing SSDs of a smaller capacity that I've tried, are the original batches (32L 3D NAND Gen1 Intel / Micron NAND) of the Adata SU800 Ultimate. I still have a stockpile of those, and as long as you don't exceed their SLC cache size during sequential writing, they maintain excellent performance for a 128GB-class SSD.

Edit: Oh, I see that you've linked the 128GB SU800 Ultimate as an example of a 128GB-class "performance" drive. I wholeheartedly agree. They are very speedy for their capacity. $26 ea. is a steal, I paid like $45 a few years back for mine, on sale.

The PNY CS900 and Crucial BX500 128GB-class SSDs are both supposedly DRAM-less, but at least in terms of new-out-of-box performance, they both perform very well for doing the initial Windows 10 installation.

Too bad that the PNY CS900 goes on sale so infrequently. If I could get it regularly for $20, that would be my go-to DRAM-less drive, with the BX500 a close second. I'm less familiar with their longer-term steady-state performance.

Edit: That all said, because prices have gotten so low lately, I don't really even use 128GB-class SSDs, except in the most extreme budget builds. I generally use 256GB-class, and sometimes 512GB-class SSDs, for a mid-range gaming-type build, or on a laptop or NUC/STX system.
 
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Too bad that the PNY CS900 goes on sale so infrequently. If I could get it regularly for $20, that would be my go-to DRAM-less drive, with the BX500 a close second. I'm less familiar with their longer-term steady-state performance.

I tried the HP M700 240GB and I thought it was very good for daily usage. I am assuming because of the planar MLC NAND steady state would be better than expected....although the 120GB version might suffer a bit.

I also use a Patriot Flare 60GB (Phison S11 dram-less SATA controller and planar MLC NAND) in one of my daily use laptops. I don't do anything with this laptop/SSD combo besides word documents and browse the web but so far the performance has been excellent.

Will try BX500 and CS900 next.

P.S. Can't wait for Phsion S13.....although I wonder if these will be exclusively 3D QLC. (If 3D QLC then you how that goes for steady state!)
 
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Price for BX500 in above links is now $19.99 FS for the 120GB and $28.99 for the 240GB.

EDIT: Recently the price of the 240GB dropped to $24.49 FS---> http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...nal-solid-state-drive-ssd-24-49-w-fs.2565105/ (Currently it is $25.99 FS on Amazon----> https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-BX500-240GB-2-5-Inch-Internal/dp/B07G3KRZBX/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_2?keywords=BX500+240GB)&qid=1557962419&s=electronics&sr=1-2-fkmrnull). Previous to this 240GB BX500 was $25.99 FS at Newegg (Reported on 5/12 by Virtual Larry in the hot deals forum).
 
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VirtualLarry

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Patriot 2.5" 240GB SATA SSD for $26.99 right now, it's the one with the blue label. Their cheapest one.

And I think the 480GB for $46.99

I wonder how long till we see 480GB SSD for $40 (what 120GB SATA SSDs used to cost).
 

SimplyComplex

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My guess is six months.
Getting super close
Just $3 above 40. $1 per 11.1gb
It'll have to happen on Black Friday/Cyber Monday for sure.

I know a lot of people are happy with TeamGroup. Though my instinct is to throw the extra $7 at Patriot because I trust them more.
Or AData at $92/tb for the 2TB range ($1 per 10.8gb)
 

VirtualLarry

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Oh, you actually missed it then, Newegg the first week or maybe second week of Nov., had a 512GB Team Group SSD for $39.99. I wanted to get one so bad, but I had no money at the time.

So yeah, we've reached that point, finally.
 

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Oh, you actually missed it then, Newegg the first week or maybe second week of Nov., had a 512GB Team Group SSD for $39.99. I wanted to get one so bad, but I had no money at the time.

So yeah, we've reached that point, finally.
i dont understand trying to save 5-10$ on something vastly inferior. Why not put the extra money buy just 1 or 2 tb ssd from samsung and call it a year. if you had some kinda youtube review channel would be the only reason i could see buying all the budget drives you have. how many computers do you give away a month? small drives just make me crazy no reason except for web-surfing only pc.
 

VirtualLarry

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Firstly, I don't consider a 512GB SSD to be a "small drive". I consider that large enough to use as both a primary OS drive, as well as (limited) game storage.

Secondly, the difference in price between a 512GB Team, and a 500GB Samsung EVO, is pretty significant, almost 2X the cost. Performance is barely different by much, in the real world. (SATA SSDs have been maxed out for some time now.)
 
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