Might be an opportunity in the future with Samsung Z-NAND, Toshiba XL-Flash and Micron Quantx but cheap they will likely not be.Would be nice if someone released a low capacity 60GB to 120GB SATA SSD with a maximized 4K QD1 Read.
Yeah, I think they're going to stop making 120gb soon. But as long as they're actually *making* new ones, there is no way they even dip below $25. Even 60gb TLC drives aren't selling for < $20 now and they're no longer being made. It's just old stock with dubious levels of future demand.No we won't (excluding clearance sales and such). There are just too many fixed costs (pcb, controller, passive components, case) so even if flash cost is dirt cheap, it still costs money to produce everything else. ~20$ is about the lowest you can go on a semi decent ssd.
Yeah, I think they're going to stop making 120gb soon. But as long as they're actually *making* new ones, there is no way they even dip below $25. Even 60gb TLC drives aren't selling for < $20 now and they're no longer being made. It's just old stock with dubious levels of future demand.
King Dian appears to have priced the absolute floor at $15. They are making and selling new drives for $15 in the 8gb-32gb range(all the same price). Of course I imagine these drives are absolute garbage. So no semi-decent ssd is going for < $20.
Would be nice if someone released a low capacity 60GB to 120GB SATA SSD with a maximized 4K QD1 Read.
Might be an opportunity in the future with Samsung Z-NAND, Toshiba XL-Flash and Micron Quantx but cheap they will likely not be.
“At present, the world’s highest 3D NAND I/O speed is targeting 1.4Gbps while the majority of the industry is offering NAND I/O at 1.0Gbps or below. With our XtackingTM technology, it is possible for NAND I/O speed to reach up to 3.0Gbps, similar to I/O speed of DRAM DDR4. This is going to be a game changer in the NAND industry,” said Simon Yang, CEO at YMTC.
This one has Phison S10 (a very good controller which also uses DRAM buffer) and 3D TLC for $23.99 FS:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820301368
I just used two 256GB capacities of that model, in a couple of older Core2-era laptops. (They run at SATA2 speeds, sadly. But they don't run badly, though performance could be better, but it could be CPU-limited in those older laptops.)
What CPU do you use in those Core 2 era laptops?
(I have several Core 2 era laptops and the CPU can limit with the lower performance processors.... Mainly thinking of the T2300 though. T7200 and better (for general browsing) seems pretty good to me.....with the T2400 being "not too bad".)
Patriot Burst 120GB $26.99 free shipping:
https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Memory-Burst-120GB-Internal/dp/B07574MTR4
This one is Phison S11 with3D TLC NAND(see post #116, it appears to be using planar TLC)
(So finally under $30, but much later than my initial prediction)
One thing to note is that according to this review the 120GB capacity version of Patriot Burst is pretty slow on Sequential Read (only 338 MB/s). In contrast the $17.99 free shipping Patriot flare 60GB (Phison S11, MLC) reads @ ~450 MB/s IIRC.
$22.62 free shipping (for 2246EN and TLC)......yeah that is pretty cheap.
S10 had firmware issues, which bricked SSDs. Might be vary of that.
That said, I don't want to invest any money into Planar TLC drives. I don't like them, longer-term, they tend to slow WAY down.
I've got an SP550 240GB in here, and it seems like my read speeds, copying over my Gigabit LAN (100MB/sec+), only hit 40-50MB/sec. Yet, copying from my 5400RPM 4TB HDD in this same box, to the same NAS, reaches 100MB/sec at points.If so just how much of a concern it is depends on the drive, have seen some drives with 2D TLC NAND slow down very fast and some keep up with drives using 2D MLC NAND/3D TLC NAND (or even outperform them).
I've got an SP550 240GB in here, and it seems like my read speeds, copying over my Gigabit LAN (100MB/sec+), only hit 40-50MB/sec. Yet, copying from my 5400RPM 4TB HDD in this same box, to the same NAS, reaches 100MB/sec at points.
Looks like it is MLC actually.
That was back when OCZ Trion 100 and Patriot Blast were new right?
Those had major problems before firmware was updated but later drives using the same controller haven't had issues on that scale if I remember correctly.
Are you talking about voltage drift?
If so just how much of a concern it is depends on the drive, have seen some drives with 2D TLC NAND slow down very fast and some keep up with drives using 2D MLC NAND/3D TLC NAND (or even outperform them).
I really think Patriot is the most random ssd seller I've ever seen. Some of their drives are complete crap(and always have been, dating back to 2011 or longer). Some of them are pretty solid mid-range that are both a good value, and highly reliable. They're not Plextor or Intel(consistently HQ), but not OCZ and Corsair(consistently buggy and unreliable).And the worst part of all this is that Patriot removed all traces of this drive ever existing on their website, so you literally have to scour the web to find the correct firmware to flash affected drives (if you caught it in time). Such a scammy company, i'll never buy from them again.
Some performance numbers (from this video) comparing the Patriot Blaze 60GB (Phison S11 dram-less controller and MLC NAND) to the 850 EVO (250GB capacity):
(Notice the 4K QD1 read is within 10% of the 850 EVO).
Yep, exactly those. I remember when we sold Blasts like hotcakes (they were cheap at the time).
Literally all came back dead or _very_ slow.
And the worst part of all this is that Patriot removed all traces of this drive ever existing on their website, so you literally have to scour the web to find the correct firmware to flash affected drives (if you caught it in time). Such a scammy company, i'll never buy from them again.
Have they changed the controller?
Because the Patriot Blaze at the 60-120GB capacities used to use Phison S8 as a controller as far as I know.
That they were.
Do you mean like that they suffered from voltage drift or that they were slow in general?
Yes, they did though it at least took a year or two before they removed from their site.
Not really a fan of that even when a product is not affected by a serious bug.
Also about their software, Patriot Tool Box, sometimes it has difficulty detecting my Patriot Blast (and there's nothing wrong with my drive either) and in fact works better for other drives also using Phison S10 as a controller.
Would be nice if someone released a low capacity 60GB to 120GB SATA SSD with a maximized 4K QD1 Read.
Might be an opportunity in the future with Samsung Z-NAND, Toshiba XL-Flash and Micron Quantx but cheap they will likely not be.
I wonder how Yangtze Xtacking architecture compares to the ones you mention?
http://www.ymtc.com/index.php?s=/cms/172.html
When the drive is mostly empty, up to about half of the available flash memory cells will be treated as SLC NAND. As the drive fills up, blocks will be converted to QLC usage, shrinking the size of the cache and making it more likely that a real-world use case could write enough to fill that cache.
When the Intel SSD 660p is mostly empty and the SLC cache size is huge, many of our standard benchmarks end up testing primarily the performance of the SLC cache — and for reads in addition to writes, because in these conditions the 660p isn't very aggressive about moving data from SLC blocks to QLC. As a result, our synthetic benchmark tests have been run both with our standard methodology, and with a completely full drive so that the tests measure performance of the QLC memory (with an SLC cache that is too small to entirely contain any of our tests). The two sets of scores thus represent the two extremes of performance that the Intel SSD 660p can deliver.
Too bad I bought a 1TB when they dipped under $200 and now I need like a 4TB.1TB for $99.....any day now!!!!