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emoga

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Have you ever measured the power usage from the wall for the 9654 under a heavy AVX-512 load, like in PrimeGrid?

What's your estimate for the 9654's power usage at full load?
 

Markfw

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Have you ever measured the power usage from the wall for the 9654 under a heavy AVX-512 load, like in PrimeGrid?

What's your estimate for the 9654's power usage at full load?
Its off right now to save power, but which PG type would be the best to test ? Easy to change my setup, now that I am not going PG anymore, so I could test this. like LLR SOB or something ? and what config, just for this run all 192 threads ? (normally leave at 50% and no SMP)
 

emoga

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Could you try Proth Prime Search LLR (PPS) at 1 core each at 50% total cpu usage

They're relatively short and should give me the number I'm looking for.

Thx
 

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Could you try Proth Prime Search LLR (PPS) at 1 core each at 50% total cpu usage

They're relatively short and should give me the number I'm looking for.

Thx
oh, threads per each task ?
 

emoga

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Yeah, 1 core per task. Should load it up nice and heavy


I'm just looking for a top end power usage as I'm looking into possible grabbing one
 

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Well interesting. While I was waiting I set it to 8C and 12 tasks. 535 watts with a Titan V at 28 watts (not doing anything). Then I got it reset to 96 and one, 565 watts ! Same for the Titan V. This box only has one NVME, the one video card and nothing else.

Edit, but 12 sticks of 4800 ram. That will add to the base of 400.
 

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wait... 36 tasks already finished, the other 60 are going and now its 489 watts
 

emoga

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So, approximately 507 watts (excluding the video card) at full load, considering the peak usage during AVX-512 workloads?

Interesting. Thx for testing that for me Mark
 

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Its competing
So, approximately 507 watts (excluding the video card) at full load, considering the peak usage during AVX-512 workloads?

Interesting. Thx for testing that for me Mark
Interesting good or bad ? This is a retail CPU BTW. Here is a pic for performance purposes.
 

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I can not figure out how much power 192 gig (12 sticks) of ddr5 4800 ram consumes, as that is part of all these numbers ! Its 1.1 v, but how many amps !!! Google has been worthless.
 

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I did find this, but not sure exactly what ram its talking about. Even if it was 2 watts, that 24 watts just for memory and 5 watts for the NVME drive or 29 watts to remove from the 507 watt number or 478 watts for CPU, fans and motherboard. I have 6 fans in this box.

How many watts of power does RAM use?


2-3.5 watts

RAM:Each module of RAM usually uses between 2-3.5 watts. Hard drives:Hard drives typically use between 5-10 watts each depending on type (e.g., SSD, HDD).Sep 15, 2023
 

emoga

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Its competing

Interesting good or bad ? This is a retail CPU BTW. Here is a pic for performance purposes.
Right. I was considering a QS, so I'll assume it's slightly worse.

The only thing that's holding me back is the availability of the heatsink I want. (AMD SP5 M99)

Guess I'll keep dreaming about it for a little longer 🛌💤
 

Markfw

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Right. I was considering a QS, so I'll assume it's slightly worse.

The only thing that's holding me back is the availability of the heatsink I want. (AMD SP5 M99)

Guess I'll keep dreaming about it for a little longer 🛌💤
M97 is not bad..... And QA for the 9554s I have is very close to retail. but the QS 9654's say 2.4 base, and the QS's say "2.15 to ...." Mine run at 2.7 fully loaded, all cores. so worse case 250 mhz slower, but $1800 vs $4850 is a BIG difference. (QS to retail)

BTW, my M97 hsf is keeping it at 66c with 62 processes avx-512 !
 
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Markfw

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I got it to 96 tasks ! Here is the updated CPU speed
CPU MHz: 2323.496
CPU max MHz: 2400.0000


But the temp is holding at 66.

Power usage is 565 - 24 video - 24 (min) ram - 9 (6-12) for fans - 5 for NVME or 503 for motherboard/cpu approx.
 

emoga

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Temps only at 66 C huh?

Perhaps I don't need the dual-tower cooler then 🤔
 

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Update ---- If I change to 8C x 12 tasks the CPU runs (like we would configure for a real contest)

CPU MHz: 2904.906
CPU max MHz: 2400.0000

The CPU temp is 63 and the watts is 480 at the wall , adjust to 418 for CPU/motherboard !
 

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@emoga That pic shows the M97 cooler available on ebay for $78, and the power usage at 534 total per kill-a-watt in the system that I have for this 9654.
 

emoga

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@emoga That pic shows the M97 cooler available on ebay for $78, and the power usage at 534 total per kill-a-watt in the system that I have for this 9654.
Appreciate you turning on your 9654 and finding that out for me. Thanks again 🍻
 
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cellarnoise

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One more reference but with a 9554 Q.S. and the same MBD-H13SSL-N.

Note that this Q.S. tops out at 3.5 Ghz. I've noticed that over about 52C it seems to throw a temp code that HWinfo can read and maxes out out 3.5 vs Retail of 3.75. for both single / low core use and all core use. I've never seen it go over 3.5 ghz.

This is with both TDP and PPT set to 400W in the bios, 1 NVME drive and the fans connected to MB. No dGPU, just the built in BMC for video.
Only 6 sticks / 6 channels of SuperMicro certified RAM = 96 GB total.

Win10 Pro. 5 case fans (two blowing vertically to help cool VRMS). Using "CoolServer" SP5 / M98 heatsink. It has 6 heatpipes vs 5 of the M97, though I don't know if it is really any better and it is around $20 U.S. more expensive.

Idle = 65W to 75 W on Kill-a-Watt. From HWinfo: Idle CPU power package of 38ish Watts.

With 400W PPT setting on Proth Prime Search with 64 Tasks of 1 core each (No Lasso Running) = 524W at 3.5 Ghz.
With 400W PPT setting on PPS with 64 Tasks of 1 core each and Lasso Running with SMT off on the PPS tasks = 530W at 3.5 Ghz.

After running now for about 15 minutes of PPS with SMT off in this Fractal Design Meshify 2XL case that has both sides on and only the stock Fractal 2 intake fans (I need to increase the intake fan flow still), the CPU is 75C and the VRMS are at 81C. Room temp is around 19.5C.

During the last PG challenge the cpu topped out at 76, but the vrms hit 85C. at 400W TDP setting and running 3.5 Ghz. I noticed that at around 380W TDP setting the frequency started to drop 50 to 100 mghz, but I did not play around with lower settings than 380.
 
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Markfw

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One more reference but with a 9554 Q.S. and the same MBD-H13SSL-N.

Note that this Q.S. tops out at 3.5 Ghz. I've noticed that over about 52C it seems to throw a temp code that HWinfo can read and maxes out out 3.5 vs Retail of 3.75. for both single / low core use and all core use. I've never seen it go over 3.5 ghz.

This is with both TDP and PPT set to 400W in the bios, 1 NVME drive and the fans connected to MB. No dGPU, just the built in BMC for video.
Only 6 sticks / 6 channels of SuperMicro certified RAM = 96 GB total.

Win10 Pro. 5 case fans (two blowing vertically to help cool VRMS). Using "CoolServer" SP5 / M98 heatsink. It has 6 heatpipes vs 5 of the M97, though I don't know if it is really any better and it is around $20 U.S. more expensive.

Idle = 65W to 75 W on Kill-a-Watt. From HWinfo: Idle CPU power package of 38ish Watts.

With 400W PPT setting on Proth Prime Search with 64 Tasks of 1 core each (No Lasso Running) = 524W at 3.5 Ghz.
With 400W PPT setting on PPS with 64 Tasks of 1 core each and Lasso Running with SMT off on the PPS tasks = 530W at 3.5 Ghz.

After running now for about 15 minutes of PPS with SMT off in this Fractal Design Meshify 2XL case that has both sides on and only the stock Fractal 2 intake fans (I need to increase the intake fan flow still), the CPU is 75C and the VRMS are at 81C. Room temp is around 19.5C.

During the last PG challenge the cpu topped out at 76, but the vrms hit 85C. at 400W TDP setting and runing 3.5 Ghz. I noticed that at around 380W TDP setting the frequency started to drop 50 to 100 mghz, but I did not play around with lower settings than 380.
I was going to reply. But HWINFO64 locked up the 9554 windows box while analyzing XTU...
 

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Rosetta at 128 tasks with nothing else running uses about 450W at the same 400W TDP setting.

I'm running a time comparison now between the 9554 QS and a 7950x set at 140W TDP in Proth Prime Seach at 16 tasks x 1 core with Lasso and SMT set to off. It won't be a perfect test, cause I using the 7950x now with a gpu, but it will be close enough. And otherwise I really don't care
 

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Rosetta at 128 tasks with nothing else running uses about 450W at the same 400W TDP setting.

I'm running a time comparison now between the 9554 QS and a 7950x set at 140W TDP in Proth Prime Seach at 16 tasks x 1 core with Lasso and SMT set to off. It won't be a perfect test, cause I using the 7950x now with a gpu, but it will be close enough. And otherwise I really don't care
You have to count memory wattage, motherboard, hard drives , video cards, fans and everything else. @450 watt that leaves 50 watts for all of the above. Even with no video card, just the memory takes 12-30 watts.
 

cellarnoise

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It is a pattern... Sillycone process improvments if really next gereration and not just an "half cycle" does a lot. Even a "generation" improvement without a "process" or manufacturing improvement is just o.k.

Genoa, is a little bit of both and around at the lowest 15% and at non AVX-512 around 30% and with AVX-512 tasks about double... Though with other specific tasks the improvement is..... You need to read the reviews, cause I don't know
 
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