New toy ! Fixed ! (PCIE V4 required)

Markfw

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the last affordable 4090 most likely in quite a while, with a Titan V and a 7542 Rome. Should be up soon.

Edir: The problem was that the motherboard was NOT PCIE V4. It works in a 7950x board.
 

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Congrats! For fuel to the FIRE!

Just watch your home power usage so you don't go all out on the fire part
 

Markfw

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Congrats! For fuel to the FIRE!

Just watch your home power usage so you don't go all out on the fire part
I put it on the dual 7763 circuit so I know its good. I only use that box in emergencies, and can find another circuit if its needed !
 

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I have to reinstall windows, Its doing odd things. NO nvidia displays, but F@H sees the Titan, but nothing sees the 4090. I installed the drivers for the motherboard, as during the initial install, it did not detect the Intel nics. I installed the Intel drivers from ASRock, but they should have been auto-detected. All very strange. Will mess with it tomorrow.
 
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I have to reinstall windows, Its doing odd things. NO nvidia displays, but F@H sees the Titan, but nothing sees the 4090. I installed the drivers for the motherboard, as during the initial install, it did not detect the Intel nics. I installed the Intel drivers from ASRock, but they should have been auto-detected. All very strange. Will mess with it tomorrow.
I'm tired of windows 10 at least with 64 core cpus. It is a fight to keep all the cores fired up! Good luck!
 

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What a high powered setup @Markfw has going with that 4090 and Rome CPU! Installing all those drivers can certainly be a pain. Windows can be finicky sometimes, hopefully it gets sorted out for you. @cellarnoise totally agree that Windows isn't always the best at utilizing many cores efficiently. Curious, have either of you tried a Linux distro on those systems instead? Maybe it could get even better performance out of all that hardware.
 
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cellarnoise

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What a high powered setup @Markfw has going with that 4090 and Rome CPU! Installing all those drivers can certainly be a pain. Windows can be finicky sometimes, hopefully it gets sorted out for you. @cellarnoise totally agree that Windows isn't always the best at utilizing many cores efficiently. Curious, have either of you tried a Linux distro on those systems instead? Maybe it could get even better performance out of all that hardware.
Yep! Have Linux Mint running now. Much better for CPU use for having any kind of D.C. tasks that is running at the same time and over 64 threads at a time. I stil like having a GUI to play with, but I am reading that a GUI sucks some cpu cycles?
I need to re-learn command line linux again.... But I don't understand why we need to go back so far for more performance, when GUIs are like 30 years old now. I'm running a Linux GUI, but I'm reading that it sucks some cpu cycles? Though no real stats on that.
 

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I just tried mint on that box, after windows gave me a fit. Now I have problems even worse, as I get the "black screen" problem. I know I did this once before with "nomodesrt" but I can't remember all the details. Going to keep working in it tomorrow, Damn OS crap !
 

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Yes, you can have too many CPU cores - Ampere's 192-core chips break ARM64 Linux kernel in two-socket systems, company requests higher core count support.

Sometimes, it's the order of the drivers. Do lots of reboots after each hardware driver install. I'd download CPU-Z see if that detects what kinda video card you got.
 

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Off topic...
Ampere's 192-core chips break ARM64 Linux kernel in two-socket systems, company requests higher core count support.
For some context: The aarch64 kernel doesn't get broken, it simply doesn't enumerate all of the CPUs. And it's an almost trivial issue of the aarch64 kernel only. (Correction after a look at the patch: I am downgrading this from almost trivial to trivial, because all what's needed was to enable compile-time config switches for already existing architecture-independent code.) Why they are sending a patch for this now rather than, say, half a year ago, is basically a question of product time-to-market, not a question of getting the software implementation done. For the x86-64 architecture, support for 4096 logical CPUs was implemented in 2009 and actively used on Silicon Graphics (SGI) Altix UV servers.
 
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Yes, you can have too many CPU cores - Ampere's 192-core chips break ARM64 Linux kernel in two-socket systems, company requests higher core count support.

Sometimes, it's the order of the drivers. Do lots of reboots after each hardware driver install. I'd download CPU-Z see if that detects what kinda video card you got.
probably not the issue here. the system it's running on (single EPYC 7542) is only a 32c/64t part.

maybe some kind of motherboard problem or maybe even a GPU problem (assuming he didnt already test it in a known working system) mark should check the logs for pcie errors or other errors related to loading the nvidia drivers. there's not really any trivial reason that the titan V would show up while the 4090 doesnt in this case.
 
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Now I have problems even worse, as I get the "black screen" problem.
You still have both GPUs in the system, and you did check which one of the two GPUs was selected for video output, right?

Did you check whether or not a newer BIOS is available for the mainboard?

I had dual-GPU computers with unequal GPUs in the past (AMD + Nvidia with Windows 7; Nvidia 1080 + 1070 with Linux), and while that worked, I find dual-/triple-GPU computers with a single GPU type much friendlier to handle. (Think of BOINC's task duration estimations, for example.)
 

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You still have both GPUs in the system, and you did check which one of the two GPUs was selected for video output, right?

Did you check whether or not a newer BIOS is available for the mainboard?

I had dual-GPU computers with unequal GPUs in the past (AMD + Nvidia with Windows 7; Nvidia 1080 + 1070 with Linux), and while that worked, I find dual-/triple-GPU computers with a single GPU type much friendlier to handle. (Think of BOINC's task duration estimations, for example.)
The nomodeset fix allowed it to boot with a visible display, but now the card is defective. It shows err under nvidia-smi for that card. The other shows fine.
 

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Have you tried running with only the 4090 installed? Another thought would be to try the 4090 in another machine.
 

Markfw

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Have you tried running with only the 4090 installed? Another thought would be to try the 4090 in another machine.
My next 2 ideas !

But you see here are 2 different cards. and at zero fan speed, not ERR
 

StefanR5R

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The nomodeset fix allowed it to boot with a visible display, but now the card is defective. It shows err under nvidia-smi for that card. The other shows fine.
A fan speed reporting error doesn't look like a PCIe and BIOS related error at least. Still, check dmesg output for possible PCIe error messages. Also, you do already have X, Cinnamon, and FahCore running, so you seem to be mostly set now. Edit, o wait, the reported Wattage is low, and utilization of 0% isn't plausible, obviously...
 

Markfw

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sounds like a motherboard problem.
Except for the fact that the motherboard was running 3 Titan V's the last time it was running, and its a server motherboard ($500)
 

StefanR5R

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Was the 0% reported GPU utilization just a one-off, or ist it constant?
Does the FahCore task make progress as expected, or is it slow or stuck altogether?

Edit, and what about the dmesg command? I can only test it remotely on my Mint computer right now, but it's likely that you will get a nicely colored output in the terminal, and anything which *might* indicate a problem would be colored in red, for you to spot immediately.
 
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gsrcrxsi

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Except for the fact that the motherboard was running 3 Titan V's the last time it was running, and its a server motherboard ($500)
Think about the parts you’re using and it will make sense. The problem is the motherboard.
 
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StefanR5R

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And more thoughts: Did you get the card new in a sealed box? Or was it an open box offer? Or even used?

Can you see whether or not the fan cables (should be two, plus maybe one or another lighting cable) are actually attached to the graphics card?
 

Markfw

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And more thoughts: Did you get the card new in a sealed box? Or was it an open box offer? Or even used?

Can you see whether or not the fan cables (should be two, plus maybe one or another lighting cable) are actually attached to the graphics card?
it appeared totally sealed from Amazon. But... Here is windows screenshot with the Titan V removed. linux was running F@H, but very slowly
 
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