NV 12VHPWR issues revisited

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BFG10K

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He just got a shipment of 19 broken 4090s, several Asus and Gigabyte boards have cracked PCBs by the PCIe connector.


Cracked PCBs are 100% NV's fault. If NV wants to make 2kg surfboard GPUs, it's NV's job to put the box's minimum requirements "a support bracket is required to use this product".
 
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BFG10K

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Guys, guys, we got another "user error" here:


We'd have a lot more of these videos, but he can't take his protective mask off often because of the nasty fumes of these things.
 

Shmee

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Do we have any idea if the upcoming RTX 5000 series cards will have options for 8 pin connectors? Not that I need to upgrade from my 7900 XTX anytime soon, but it is good to have options at the high end.
 

Aapje

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Do we have any idea if the upcoming RTX 5000 series cards will have options for 8 pin connectors? Not that I need to upgrade from my 7900 XTX anytime soon, but it is good to have options at the high end.
We can only guess. My expectation is that it'll be the same as for the 4000-cards, with 8 pin options only for the low and mid end.
 

MrTeal

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He just got a shipment of 19 broken 4090s, several Asus and Gigabyte boards have cracked PCBs by the PCIe connector.


Cracked PCBs are 100% NV's fault. If NV wants to make 2kg surfboard GPUs, it's NV's job to put the box's minimum requirements "a support bracket is required to use this product".
Unless they're FE's, it's hard to dump this on NV. The AIB decides the cooler size and included supports, and high TDP cards are hardly unprecedented. My Devil 13 had a 580W TDP and weighed over 5lbs, but came with a beefy GPU support.

Really, the ATX spec is way overdue for an update to improve how GPUs are mounted in cases and airflow is directed. This should have been addresses back when Fermi came out. Saying "Oh no GPUs over 250W cause they're too big and heavy" isn't a great option because we should want that to be a possibility if the performance is there to justify it, especially now that multi-GPU is dead.
 

Aapje

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The next generation cards should take inspiration from The Transformers and automatically have legs coming from it after you install it.
 
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Do we have any idea if the upcoming RTX 5000 series cards will have options for 8 pin connectors? Not that I need to upgrade from my 7900 XTX anytime soon, but it is good to have options at the high end.
I hate to say it, but I think 8-pin power connectors are practically dead for Nvidia consumer GPUs moving forward.
 
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Why make it so complicated? They should just design a heftier USB-C type connector with screws to bolt it down like those in the D-sub connector.
 

BFG10K

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Unless they're FE's, it's hard to dump this on NV. The AIB decides the cooler size and included supports, and high TDP cards are hardly unprecedented. My Devil 13 had a 580W TDP and weighed over 5lbs, but came with a beefy GPU support.
Poor poor NV, the lil' $trillion corporation is getting bullied by those nasty AIBs, amirite?

NV can directly control the AIBs, including the ability to completely cut them off if they don't tow the line. The fact that NV hasn't done anything about cracking cards means NV doesn't care. NV still get their money while the AIB takes the blame and foots the RMA bill.

There are plenty of fools on the internet that'll keep buying NV no matter what happens. I've literally seen comments where a 4090 melted and the owner said "I hope the 5090 doesn't have the same issue!"

That's right, a melted $2000 product, and they're already opening their wallets to give NV more money for a product that doesn't exist yet.
 
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Shmee

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I hate to say it, but I think 8-pin power connectors are practically dead for Nvidia consumer GPUs moving forward.
That really would stink, it is better to have options between vendors.
 

MrTeal

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Poor poor NV, the lil' $trillion corporation is getting bullied by those nasty AIBs, amirite?

NV can directly control the AIBs, including the ability to completely cut them off if they don't tow the line. The fact that NV hasn't done anything about cracking cards means NV doesn't care. NV still get their money while the AIB takes the blame and foots the RMA bill.

There are plenty of fools on the internet that'll keep buying NV no matter what happens. I've literally seen comments where a 4090 melted and the owner said "I hope the 5090 doesn't have the same issue!"

That's right, a melted $2000 product, and they're already opening their wallets to give NV more money for a product that doesn't exist yet.
The melted connectors sure, that's on NV. The Strix is almost a pound heavier and a couple inches longer so there's going to be a lot more torque there, and that card only has a double slot bracket vs the triple on the FE. You're going to see a lot more sag vs the Nvidia cooler, but Asus did at least include a card support. If users don't install it though, that's kinda on them.

Personally, I want AIB to have the freedom to design coolers as they see fit and I wish they had even more leeway for things like board design and firmware/power limit/voltage control. I think we get better cards that way and ones that will really push a chip past what Nvidia might do. If you do get AIB designs that aren't as mechanically sound that is on them though. If you want to go back to when you had to choose between XFX, Sapphire and HIS for your HD 5870 and the difference was what sticker is on the fan hub, not sure what to tell you.
 
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Yes it is better to have the option to look into various designs and innovations. Things like multiple BIOS switch, enhanced power delivery and PCB designs, and extended OC are all good options to have.
 
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Aapje

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Things like multiple BIOS switch, enhanced power delivery and PCB designs, and extended OC are all good options to have.
Those first 3 things aren't restricted by Nvidia, though. It's more that they are so greedy that AIBs have to nickel and dime to keep the prices near what Nvidia announces.
 
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CableMod recalls 12VHPWR 1.0/1.1 angled adapters, users advised to stop using them immediately
 
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DrMrLordX

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CableMod recalls 12VHPWR 1.0/1.1 angled adapters, users advised to stop using them immediately
The key lesson here seems to be that AIBs are not honoring warranties in circumstances where 3rd party adapters have melted. At least if the official cables and adapters melt (which they seem just as much, if not more likely to do than the CableMod ones), AIBs are forced to honor warranties.

In any case, it looks like CableMod has tried and failed to fix the problem created by nVidia.
 
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BFG10K

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In any case, it looks like CableMod has tried and failed to fix the problem created by nVidia.
Yep, exactly right. I called this a few pages back. No way CableMod would continue replacing $2000 GPUs out of pocket while selling $50 adapters. Also as the warranties start to expire, expect more and more rejections from this pandemic of faults.

And still not a peep out of NV. I guess that "company shutdown" they told Tom's Hardware 9 months ago is ongoing, so they're "unable to respond", LMAO.

12V cable was a "solution" looking for a problem. 8pin had no trouble fitting into cases or having pressure/bend applied to it after connected, because the clip actually worked and held tight.

A defective design ironically installed onto surfboards that won't fit in 95% cases with regards to side panel clearance. That's why the comments "4090 works just fine in my mammoth E-ATX case with the side panel removed, you're just a clueless n00b!" are hilarious. Ivory tower residents looking down at the street peasants and telling them to "eat cake".


Recommendation on how to use our 12VHPWR / 12V-2x6 cable
All connectors must be INSERTED, CLICK-LOCKED and SEATED properly to avoid issue. (See here)
DO NOT bend the cable in any direction once it is plugged into place.
DO NOT bend or apply force to the cable too close to the connector.
Can anyone else think of an end-user cable that's not allowed to move or be touched in any way once connected? Imagine if a melting kettle cord or USB cable was "user error" because it was pulled or bent after plugging in?

But wait, it gets better:

We do understand that there may be a need to bend the cables in order to fit them into the case (O'RLY? Say it ain't so! -BFG10K). If this necessity arises then this must be done following below recommendations.

Disconnect the 12VHPWR / 12V-2x6 cable from the power supply and the GPU card.
Carefully use a gentle heat source (such as a hair dryer) to carefully heat the area of the cable where you wish to make the bend.
Carefully insert the connectors into the power supply and the GPU.
Make sure the connectors are properly seated and the latch on the connectors is engaged and locked into place with a click.
It is very important that after the connectors are properly in place, not to bend the cables or exert any unnecessary force on the connectors anymore, either at the power supply or at the GPU end.
"What's that buddy? Your SATA cable melted? Well, serves you right for not using a hairdryer before connecting it!"

I mean everyone knows to use hairdryers before plugging in cables, amirite? Clearly 12V cable issues are all "user error". Clearly, yo!
 
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