NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

[igor_kavinski]

But this is just tragic.

Another unlaunch inbound?

Nvidia seems to be making a habit of launching crappy products undeserving of the asking price. Guess they are still trying the wait and see approach: will rabid fans bite? No? OK. Fans have spoken. ABORT! UNLAUNCH!

 

[jpiniero]

There is indeed so much room for AMD to launch something much more appealing.

Or run away because the increased costs make it too tough to make a profit.

 

[Aapje]

Another unlaunch inbound?

Nvidia seems to be making a habit of launching crappy products undeserving of the asking price. Guess they are still trying the wait and see approach: will rabid fans bite? No? OK. Fans have spoken. ABORT! UNLAUNCH!

I expect that the prices will just start dropping.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Or run away because the increased costs make it too tough to make a profit.

That is the case more often than people think, but here NVidia just fumbled this product so badly, that AMD just has to show up to blow this away. It's a gift from NVidia.

NVidia was claiming 15% uplift over 3060 Ti, which was fairly awful to start with, but it's more like 9% at 1080p, and 5% at 1440p. That's pathetic. The cache isn't doing a good enough job covering for the loss of memory bandwidth. They really failed on the technical side here.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

This is not a good product for this price, but the 16GB version with $100 higher cost will end up much worse.

 

[Aapje]

They are both hugely overpriced.

 

[Heartbreaker]

This is not a good product for this price, but the 16GB version with $100 higher cost will end up much worse.

I agree. This is mainly held back by Memory Bandwidth, and the 16GB won't fix that. 16GB will only fix the few outliers where it runs out of VRAM.

This should have been a 192 bit bus, with 12GB (or 160/10GB at the bare minimum), and it would have been quite decent for $400.

 

[AtenRa]

Does NVIDIA believes the TAM for the RTX4060Ti is only 5 year old children ?? It is the only explanation I can think off with the price and generational performance increase over the 3060ti.

I still remember that many people were expecting ADA Lovelace to brink higher generational increases over the Ampere line simple because Ampere were made with the crap 8nm Samsung process and now ADA was going to be on the cutting edge 4nm at TSMC.
Well it seems Ampere brought more gen to gen than ADA after all, only exception is the 4090, the rest of ADA and especially going to lower SKUs are becoming a joke.

 

[PJVol]

Haven't we already seen the 4060ti reviews on April 12th?
Someone just confused names when packaging adding "ti" to the vanilla 4060 by mistake.

 

[Geegeeoh]

3.5 stars from Tom's

Are they kidding? This crap it's a 0.5 stars.

 

[igor_kavinski]

This is just strategically trying to push informed people towards 4070 and hoping to make wads of cash from uninformed people falling for the Ti moniker.

 

[blckgrffn]

Does NVIDIA believes the TAM for the RTX4060Ti is only 5 year old children ?? It is the only explanation I can think off with the price and generational performance increase over the 3060ti.

I still remember that many people were expecting ADA Lovelace to brink higher generational increases over the Ampere line simple because Ampere were made with the crap 8nm Samsung process and now ADA was going to be on the cutting edge 4nm at TSMC.
Well it seems Ampere brought more gen to gen than ADA after all, only exception is the 4090, the rest of ADA and especially going to lower SKUs are becoming a joke.

nvidia decided to turn all of that sweet silicon advancement into margin rather than performance. Except for the 4090, of course.

The saving grace for them is that they can tack back with the 5000 series and deliver a big uplift on performance by investing a little more in each SKU and they'll probably have another node shrink (but a much smaller overall improvement of 8nm SS to 4nm TSMC) and they can be the heroes again. The economic outlook might be better by then and all those ampere and previous cards will simply be old. Strategically it might be a better time for them to drop the hammer and give us more compelling products.

If that's the case I would say that's a bit of strategy but mostly hubris and then retroactively changing the narrative.

FWIW, I still think the 3090 is going to live a long, useful life and was the Ampere card to ultimately own. ADA looking the same maybe shouldn't be such a surprise.

 

[jpiniero]

I still remember that many people were expecting ADA Lovelace to brink higher generational increases over the Ampere line simple because Ampere were made with the crap 8nm Samsung process and now ADA was going to be on the cutting edge 4nm at TSMC.
Well it seems Ampere brought more gen to gen than ADA after all, only exception is the 4090, the rest of ADA and especially going to lower SKUs are becoming a joke.

You're seeing Moore's Law is Dead in action basically.

 

[Tup3x]

Reviews are out. 4060 Ti is hot garbage:

Only about 9% faster than 3060 Ti.

Hehehee....

 

[Heartbreaker]

Hehehee....
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Same thing happens in TLOU at 1080p. It's clear that it's hamstrung by memory bandwidth. They really messed this up.

In bandwidth hungry games it's actually a performance regression vs the 3060 Ti. !!

 

[DooKey]

4060Ti needs a price haircut. $325 for 8gb and $385 for 16gb.

 

[jpiniero]

4060Ti needs a price haircut. $325 for 8gb and $385 for 16gb.

AD106 too expensive to do something like that. More likely it's end production. nVidia probally should have left AD106 and AD107 to be mobile only... or maybe OEM only on desktop.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Or reduce 3060 Ti prices further to clear out all existing inventory. No 3060 Ti, no embarrassment after a few months.

 

[Heartbreaker]

You're seeing Moore's Law is Dead in action basically.

It's mostly a memory Bandwidth problem though. It can gap previous generation by a significant amount when it's not BW starved, but when BW starved it's actually a regression.

But memory controllers do take up expensive silicon space.

They could really use AMDs memory controller chiplets to help this...

 

[jpiniero]

It's mostly a memory Bandwidth problem though. It can gap previous generation by a significant amount when it's not BW starved, but when BW starved it's actually a regression.

GDDR7 would help. If it had 25-27 gbps GDDR7, that would at least be comparable in memory bandwidth to the GDDR6 version of the 3060 Ti.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

It's mostly a memory Bandwidth problem though. It can gap previous generation by a significant amount when it's not BW starved, but when BW starved it's actually a regression.

But memory controllers do take up expensive silicon space.

They could really use AMDs memory controller chiplets to help this...

I think 192-bit would be enough and extra 64-bit is a lot smaller than 32MB cache.

 

[Golgatha]

GDDR7 would help. If it had 25-27 gbps GDDR7, that would at least be comparable in memory bandwidth to the GDDR6 version of the 3060 Ti.

I think going a half-step up in memory bandwidth to 160 bit and adding 10GB of GDDR7 is what the 4060 Super will look like. I imagine the price would stay constant at $399. Maybe they'll discount the 4060 16GB to $399 to clear the chips out they couldn't sell and because the glut of RAM (or at least capacity to produce RAM because of shutting down production due to the glut) in the market would make it relatively cheap to do so.

 

[Coalfax]

GN said it best.

Waste of sand.

Most of Nvidia hasa been as such this round.

 

[DooKey]

GN said it best.

Waste of sand.

Most of Nvidia hasa been as such this round.

No, the cards aren't bad. The cards are priced too high. Seems to me the 4090 is the only appropriately priced card in the lineup. The rest need to be trimmed down in price. However, easy to say that when I don't know what they need to be priced at to maintain margins that will continue to pay the way for future generations. <shrug>

 

[BFG10K]

Or run away because the increased costs make it too tough to make a profit.

Please show us evidence of the profit on each 4060TI. I'd like to see these "razor thin margins" that poor, poor NV has to endure.

You're seeing Moore's Law is Dead in action basically.

Nah, what you're seeing is a company with a monopoly in the GPU market trying to maintain miner margins despite mining being dead.

Exactly like Intel giving us 4 cores on 14nm++++++ for seven years.