NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

[maddie]

Well, every skin pore is kind of a microscopic orifice

Lord, we're in for a ride.

 

[Timorous]

You pay for capacity. You pay on a "per/GB" basis. Of course higher clocked memory is going to be more expensive, however...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661358940473659392

... AMD is DOWNCLOCKING 20 Gbps to 18 Gbps GDDR6 chips.

Cause they like to pay more to deliver less? Or its because those are the only available chips on the market?

The MBA is using 20gbps hynix ram. No wonder the slider stops at 2400Mhz.

If they are using 20gbps ram why on earth not use it? Does it really make that much difference to power or is it so they can use 18gbps chips if they have them on hand.

EDIT: So it seems to OC pretty well, max the sliders and undervolt to get an extra 10%. Could AMd use N33 for a 7600 XT. GIve it 3Ghz or so boost clocks and 16GB of 20gbps ram? It would still be behind a 6700XT but would be better than the 6700 10GB. I don't think there would be enough difference but its not outside of the realm of possibility if they want to only use N32 in the 7700 and 7800 series.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

For $349 with 16GB of ram, the performance per watt, with fairly compact models with a single 8 pin? I'd buy it.

If It's the full AD106(36SM) and 16GB is 20gbps or GDDR6x, for $349 It would be a great card.
I would also buy It.

 

[Heartbreaker]

If It's the full AD106(36SM) and 16GB is 20gbps or GDDR6x, for $349 It would be a great card.
I would also buy It.

It's a pure fantasy though.

In my most optimistic take, NVidia drops both the Ti card $50 by July for the 16GB launch, making it $450.

But I'm not really an optimist. I actually expect it will still launch at $500 regardless how much the 8GB version is neglected.

Maybe a really good surprise N32 launch by AMD could shake things, up, but I'm not optimistic for that either.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

It's a pure fantasy though.

In my most optimistic take, NVidia drops both the Ti card $50 by July for the 16GB launch, making it $450.

But I'm not really an optimist. I actually expect it will still launch at $500 regardless how much the 8GB version is neglected.

Maybe a really good surprise N32 launch by AMD could shake things, up, but I'm not optimistic for that either.

I never said It would happen, but It would certainly be nice.
N32 could be a pretty decent performer, but I don't think It will be that cheap.
We would be really lucky If It was priced at $499.

It looks to me like Nvidia doesn't really care about gaming that much anymore, they have other segments with way better margins.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I never said It would happen, but It would certainly be nice.
N32 could be a pretty decent performer, but I don't think It will be that cheap.
We would be really lucky If It was priced at $499.

It looks to me like Nvidia doesn't really care about gaming that much anymore, they have other segments with way better margins.

AMD is no better. They follow them like a weak shadow on a cloudy day. They both seem to have embraced the boom bust model, where the only one that suffers is the consumer. A.I. is just the latest boom, they'll find another if that goes bust.

 

[AtenRa]

I would really like to see a review of 4060Ti against 3060 12GB but with PCIe Gen 3.0 for both cards. I have the feeling that 8x PCIe lines on the 4060Ti will have a extra negative impact in games that need more than 8GB Vram.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I would really like to see a review of 4060Ti against 3060 12GB but with PCIe Gen 3.0 for both cards. I have the feeling that 8x PCIe lines on the 4060Ti will have a extra negative impact in games that need more than 8GB Vram.

Last time TPU did PCIe gen testing, it was only like 4% between 3.0 and 4.0. But I don't think he tested very long runs, and certainly didn't have this latest crop of 9th gen console ports. Possible the hit is big enough to matter moving forward.

 

[Heartbreaker]

It looks to me like Nvidia doesn't really care about gaming that much anymore, they have other segments with way better margins.

Tell that to 4090 buyers...

It's the lower end gamers they don't care much about, plus they have been pretty confident about selling their stuff even at perf/$ disadvantage to AMD.

But I think 4060 Ti pushed it too far this time. Aiming at too small a gap (15%) that they didn't even achieve, plus 8GB issues really blew up this year. I'm joining the chorus on 8GB at $400 just being unacceptable (but I'm OK with it at $300 and below).

Though I don't know how many will think it's unacceptable. They may still end up moving large numbers of 4060 Ti cards. We really can't judge by our/forum outrage.

 

[igor_kavinski]

8GB should be the new 4GB. So $199 for 8GB cards. Anything priced more than that must have 10GB VRAM minimum.

 

[Mopetar]

Let's just do VRAM:

8GB GDDR6 costs ~$27, yet NV charges $100. So they could easily shave $50 off the card and still have 85% VRAM profit. 85% profit won't be "putting anyone out of business".

You have it backwards. NVidia wanted to charge $500 for the 8GB model and now JHH is royally pissed that he has to spend an extra $27 on VRAM to get most people to even consider it as an option.

The bad value 8 GB card is just there because they'd already produced too many that they couldn't not launch it when it became obvious that the market wasn't willing to put up with their prices. They'll quit making the 8 GB models as soon if they haven't already.

 

[coercitiv]

Here comes the clown show!

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti drops €20 below MSRP in Germany, just four hours after launch - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti drops below MSRP in Germany on its launch day This took much a lot less time than expected. NVIDIA has announced the RTX 4060 Ti 1080p gaming GPU at a price of $399/€439. The card went on sale today, and we’ve already heard some interesting things. The RTX 4060 Ti may […]

videocardz.com

 

[MrPickins]

Last time TPU did PCIe gen testing, it was only like 4% between 3.0 and 4.0. But I don't think he tested very long runs, and certainly didn't have this latest crop of 9th gen console ports. Possible the hit is big enough to matter moving forward.

Just curious, was that test of x8 or x16?

 

[Heartbreaker]

It looks to me like Nvidia doesn't really care about gaming that much anymore, they have other segments with way better margins.

Tell that to 4090 buyers...

It's the lower end gamers they don't care much about, plus they are usually pretty good about selling their stuff even at perf/$ disadvantage to AMD.

But I think 4060 Ti pushed it too far this time. Aiming at too small a gap (15%) that they didn't even achieve, plus 8GB issues really blew up this year. I'm joining the chorus on 8GB at $400 just being unacceptable (but I'm OK with it at $300 and below).

Though I don't know how many will think it's unacceptable. They may still end up moving large numbers of 4060 Ti cards. We really can't judge by our/forum outrage.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Just curious, was that test of x8 or x16?

Here is the scaling for the 6600XT

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/28.html

 

[Aapje]

Though I don't know how many will think it's unacceptable. They may still end up moving large numbers of 4060 Ti cards. We really can't judge by our/forum outrage.

There's also outrage under every YouTube review and MLID's sales people quotes all point to them seeing little interest and expecting little.

I'm quite confident that this card will sell really, really badly.

It's only the 4060 that I'm unsure about. It may sell in somewhat decent numbers, if only because of the reputation of the x060 cards and the price drop.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Tell that to 4090 buyers...

And how does this change what I said? Nvidia cares about gaming because they released Ad102 or something?

It's not like Ada is sold only to gamers, right? And with higher margins on top of that.
RTX 4000 SFF (60SM Ad104 20GB) = $1250
RTX 6000 SFF (142SM Ad102 48GB) = $6,799

Gaming segment is no longer the main source of revenue, but It's also not a negligible amount of money.
I think you will agree, that this segment is no longer the main focus for Nvidia.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Gaming segment is no longer the main source of revenue, but It's also not a negligible amount of money.
I think you will agree, that this segment is no longer the main focus for Nvidia.

Probably not, but it's not the main focus for anyone.

But it looks like NVidia still focuses on it more than anyone else. They provide bigger HW lineup for gamers and do more gaming R&D and deliver more new features for gamers.

Also just because it isn't the biggest revenue stream, doesn't mean they are giving up on it.

The main source of gripes is simply pricing, not that the product is bad.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The main source of gripes is simply pricing, not that the product is bad.

Exactly this. It isn't hard to understand.

 

[Aapje]

Also just because it isn't the biggest revenue stream, doesn't mean they are giving up on it.

I also don't believe that they will just accept these low sales permanently. However, I also don't think that there is any panic, with how well they are selling to the business market.

Perhaps the senior management even very cynically decided to accept low sales for a while to prevent consumers from starting to expect fairly rapidly falling prices, while they churn out a ton of AD102 dies/cards. Only when they have enough of those, they may decide to get serious about attracting gamers again.

This strategy also makes it easier to get rid of remaining 3000-stock.

The main source of gripes is simply pricing, not that the product is bad.

I think that we need to distinguish between the engineers and senior management. I'm sure that there are a lot of engineers with a ton of passion for gaming, but the decision to set these prices and to downgrade each tier wasn't made by them, but by senior management.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Anecdotes from single outlets aren't that meaningful, but just for the Lulz:

Only one person showed up at popular Japanese PC store to buy GeForce RTX 4060 Ti at launch - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 4060 Ti not very popular in Japan GDM report that only one person was waiting to purchase RTX 4060 Ti at Despara Akihabara retail chain. The sale embargo lifts at the same time for all countries, which for the US this means early morning, for Europe it is afternoon and late hours...

videocardz.com

 

[Golgatha]

Anyone else feel like the +$100 for adding 8GB of VRAM on the 4060 Ti 16GB is a very Apple move?

 

[jpiniero]

Anyone else feel like the +$100 for adding 8GB of VRAM on the 4060 Ti 16GB is a very Apple move?

No because it was just a last second thing added because people were complaining about 8 GB. They aren't actually expecting people to buy it.

 

[Aapje]

Anyone else feel like the +$100 for adding 8GB of VRAM on the 4060 Ti 16GB is a very Apple move?

If it was an Apple move, people would actually buy it.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

The main source of gripes is simply pricing, not that the product is bad.

Exactly this. It isn't hard to understand.

As someone very smart once said, there are no bad GPUs, just bad price.