NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

[NTMBK]

As someone very smart once said, there are no bad GPUs, just bad price.

If the drivers are a crashy mess, or it sounds like a leaf blower, or it guzzles power like a freshman guzzles beer, it's a bad GPU.

I'd be quite happy with this at $200, labelled as a 4050ti.

 

[jpiniero]

I'd be quite happy with this at $200, labelled as a 4050ti.

I think this is as far as nVidia will go on pricing when it comes to the 4060 and 4060 Ti. I could see retailers cutting prices, but that's them cutting into their margin.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If the drivers are a crashy mess, or it sounds like a leaf blower, or it guzzles power like a freshman guzzles beer, it's a bad GPU.

I'd be quite happy with this at $200, labelled as a 4050ti.

Just imagine what the card they are going to name the 4050ti will be like when they launch it! Will it only have 4GB of RAM?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Just imagine what the card they are going to name the 4050ti will be like when they launch it! Will it only have 4GB of RAM?

re-badged GTX 1650 GDDR6 version. :evil:

 

[NTMBK]

Just imagine what the card they are going to name the 4050ti will be like when they launch it! Will it only have 4GB of RAM?

4GB on a 64 bit bus...

 

[SteveGrabowski]

As someone very smart once said, there are no bad GPUs, just bad price.

That someone never saw the RX 6500 XT tbh

 

[Golgatha]

Exactly this. It isn't hard to understand.

That's true. nVidia can call any card anything they like as long as the performance justifies the cost. But boy, what they're calling these cut down GPUs and are charging for them is downright insulting, and IMO really feels like a slap in the face after all the nonsense everyone suffered during COVID lockdowns.

 

[moonbogg]

A youtube guy said GPU makers don't care about using wafers for gaming cards anymore. It's all about AI stuff because apparently there's an AI hardware boom right now just like there was a crypto GPU boom recently. Is AI hardware a long-term replacement for the gaming market? I say we stop buying GPUs so we can find out how they do. Let's just flip that switch off.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A youtube guy said GPU makers don't care about using wafers for gaming cards anymore. It's all about AI stuff because apparently there's an AI hardware boom right now just like there was a crypto GPU boom recently. Is AI hardware a long-term replacement for the gaming market? I say we stop buying GPUs so we can find out how they do. Let's just flip that switch off.

Yup. Nvidia is now valued at almost a trillion dollaroos! 👀

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ai-chip-g...CrPINWYXY464XKekwoLNU5VtAseRS8Kgh6PWlwCnLxN3k

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-219-billion-surge-in-market-value#xj4y7vzkg

 

[moonbogg]

Yup. Nvidia is now valued at almost a trillion dollaroos! 👀

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ai-chip-g...CrPINWYXY464XKekwoLNU5VtAseRS8Kgh6PWlwCnLxN3k

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-219-billion-surge-in-market-value#xj4y7vzkg

OK, so they don't need gamers anymore. Now we get to see what they really think of us, and the 4060Ti makes their sentiments clear. They effing HATE our guts. A boycott is the only way.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

OK, so they don't need gamers anymore. Now we get to see what they really think of us, and the 4060Ti makes their sentiments clear. They effing HATE our guts. A boycott is the only way.

I don't like to attribute emotions to corporations; they're amoral. Their mission statement is make money for themselves and their shareholders. Pretty much where it begins and ends.

I do think we have become ancillary i.e. they have bigger fish to fry. The door is open, let's hope AMD stops being Nvidia lite, and Intel has a bang for buck champ in Gandalf.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I don't like to attribute emotions to corporations; they're amoral. Their mission statement is make money for themselves and their shareholders. Pretty much where it begins and ends.

Meh not amoral, they're sociopathic.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Meh not amoral, they're sociopathic.

PO-TAY-TOE - PO-TA-TOE 🤟

 

[moonbogg]

All I know is something's up, and it's probably the AI thing taking precedence combined with a simple desire to see how much more money they can squeeze out of people while giving them less product. These aren't honest releases. They do not constitute an honest effort to offer a compelling product. These releases are the opposite of that and I'm curious as to what the reason really is. Only Nvidia can tell us explicitly and they won't, so all I can do is just not buy their stuff.

 

[jpiniero]

These releases are the opposite of that and I'm curious as to what the reason really is.

Cuz Moore's Law is Dead.

 

[Heartbreaker]

That's true. nVidia can call any card anything they like as long as the performance justifies the cost. But boy, what they're calling these cut down GPUs and are charging for them is downright insulting, and IMO really feels like a slap in the face after all the nonsense everyone suffered during COVID lockdowns.

Of the Ada Cards, only the 4060 Ti is really bad. Everything else give a little perf/$ improvement, along with some other improvements.

I don't understand how improvements are insulting. It's not like they are worse.

Look at inflation working it's way through the economy making everything more expensive.

New GPUs are one of the few things not increasing in price, and you find that insulting.

 

[Jaskalas]

New GPUs are one of the few things not increasing in price, and you find that insulting.

Given that most of the RTX 40 series lineup is a rebranded card from a lower tier at a higher price, they most certainly did increase.

 

[Ranulf]

4GB on a 64 bit bus...

With DDR4 at 2666mhz.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Given that most of the RTX 40 series lineup is a rebranded card from a lower tier at a higher price, they most certainly did increase.

The recent point of discussion is that names are meaningless. This is strictly perf/$.

 

[gdansk]

So the RTX 4060, on paper, would be about 0.7x the 4060 Ti.
That puts it quite far behind the 7600. And unlike the RTX 3060 to RX 6600 XT comparison it doesn't have more VRAM as a selling point.
But I guess DLSS always justifies the premium now days.

 

[jpiniero]

So the RTX 4060, on paper, would be about 0.7x the 4060 Ti.
That puts it quite far behind the 7600. And unlike the RTX 3060 to RX 6600 XT comparison it doesn't have more VRAM as a selling point.
But I guess DLSS always justifies the premium now days.

The 4060 Ti is extremely memory bandwidth limited. nVidia did cut the L2 to 24 MB on the 4060 but it only has slightly less memory bandwidth. It should be very close.

 

[Ranulf]

3060 is down to $289 at NE for a couple of models. Yet another choice of dlss 3.0 or same perf otherwise with more ram.

 

[jpiniero]

Case in point - NBC reviewed a Legion Pro laptop with the 4070L, and one of the comparison laptops is a Legion with the 4060L. Now it isn't completely a fair comparison - the 4070L is the full AD106 albeit with 16 gbps memory and the 4060L has the full L2 - but the 4070L was mainly only 10-15% faster.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-7-7745HX-performance-debut-Lenovo-Legion-Pro-5-16-Gen-8-laptop-review.717942.0.html

 

[Heartbreaker]

Case in point - NBC reviewed a Legion Pro laptop with the 4070L, and one of the comparison laptops is a Legion with the 4060L. Now it isn't completely a fair comparison - the 4070L is the full AD106 albeit with 16 gbps memory and the 4060L has the full L2 - but the 4070L was mainly only 10-15% faster.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-7-7745HX-performance-debut-Lenovo-Legion-Pro-5-16-Gen-8-laptop-review.717942.0.html

We really won't know until it ships and is tested. RX 7600 and RTX 4060 will likely end up pretty close to each other. Close enough that performance won't be much of a deciding factor between them.

 

[Rebel_L]

Of the Ada Cards, only the 4060 Ti is really bad. Everything else give a little perf/$ improvement, along with some other improvements.

I don't understand how improvements are insulting. It's not like they are worse.

Look at inflation working it's way through the economy making everything more expensive.

New GPUs are one of the few things not increasing in price, and you find that insulting.

If you are going from no card to having a card the perf/$ calculation is pretty straight forward. Consider though what that equation looks like for people who already own a gpu and are looking to procure a newer better toy. Comparing the new to the old to show improvements suggests that a large part of your target market is not first time buyers but rather repeat customers you are trying to entice with your new models.

Say I paid $300 for lets call it 100 performance units 2 years ago and now there is a new card with 110 performance units for the same price. My effective options are to pay $0 and stay with 100 performance units or pay $300 for 110. I would be paying $300 for only an effective 10 performance units which is 10 times worse value than my original purchase.

There are of course other things to consider with the math that can swing things back to not being quite so lopsided. How much you could sell your old card for or what value you do you assign to the new features the new card has will counterbalance to some degree. No matter though small improvements are simply terrible perf/$ for repeat customers.