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blckgrffn

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Look at it this way:

If they kept the price at $299, and called it the 4050, complaints would just as loud, if not louder.

If they dropped the price to $249, and still called it the 4060, reception would be MUCH more positive than it is now.

The price is MUCH more important than the name.
Given all the quibbling about it here, there is something to the name. The market recognizes it, this allows Nvidia to charge for it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Given all the quibbling about it here, there is something to the name. The market recognizes it, this allows Nvidia to charge for it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quibbling about naming here is not evidence of anything. There is a hardcore of NVidia haters here that will latch onto anything they can imagine to attack NVidia over.

Back in the real world, I don't think anyone cares that much about the name. Drop the price $50 and the tone of those reviews would have changed drastically.
 

blckgrffn

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Quibbling about naming here is not evidence of anything. There is a hardcore of NVidia haters here that will latch onto anything they can imagine to attack NVidia over.

Back in the real world, I don't think anyone cares that much about the name. Drop the price $50 and the tone of those reviews would have changed drastically.

They will heavily resist that. The 3060 established a solid xx60 beach head at ~$330 and they'd be fools to give it up. I am surprised they decided to water it down to $299. That tells you how much they think of the product too.

If you want a $250 part, it'll need to fill the shoes of the 3050. No way are they letting go of market leverage.

Anyway, it's still underwhelming.
 

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it seems a bit... average but solid enough, sure it doesn't look at all like the best perf/$,
but it has enough speed and is not that pricey that is probably going to sell ok?
there are far better value cards but they are a bit older or don't offer the same features, so it's kind of... hmmm

in a world where the 4090 is celebrated with the price it has, this is not too bad.

back in my day you could buy this sort of card in the sub $150 price category, but the high end was less than half of the 4090 also.
 
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blckgrffn

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it seems a bit... average but solid enough, sure it doesn't look at all like the best perf/$,
but it has enough speed and is not that pricey that is probably going to sell ok?
there are far better value cards but they are a bit older or don't offer the same features, so it's kind of... hmmm

in a word where the 4090 is celebrated with the price it has, this is not too bad.

back in my day you could buy this sort of card in the sub $150 price category, but the high end was less than half of the 4090 also.

It's essentially the same reaction starting with the 4080 and down. Kind of a "Thanks? I guess?" impact vs "oh wow, we got through the mining disaster and here are our sweet rewards!"
 

Ranulf

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The 3060 established a solid xx60 beach head at ~$330 and they'd be fools to give it up. I am surprised they decided to water it down to $299. That tells you how much they think of the product too.

Eh, maybe. The 2060 6GB was $350 remember. That was a $50-100 price increase over the 1060 depending on model. My 970 was $350 in 2015. They've been trying to hold this price point for the xx60 cards for awhile now. They can afford to keep prices higher now but for how long and at what cost to their brand, remains to be seen. Nvidia is betting they can hold out while the AI money train continues on.

Anyway, not too surprising numbers so far. It is a pathetic "upgrade" that should be $50 less at least. But yay, frame generations n' stuff n' junk.
 

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I don't know if it's DOA for DIY, but it won't be selling out either. VRAM is now a feature list checkbox that even casuals know to look at.

I agree with @Dribble that it is far more attractive to OEMs and S.I.s. The performance per watt is killer = perfect for the low wattage PSUs, and terrible case cooling, they like to spec with their desktop systems. And they do demand the new shiny to help them market the systems as the latest and greatest. Even in that sector, sales are going to be majorly depressed because the market is at an all time low. I don't think this holiday season is going to be great the way things are going either. The numbers will look good compared to Q1 no doubt, but that is a lot different than the numbers being good.

For lulz, look at PCMag's review. Editor's Choice Award 🤣

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/asus-dual-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-oc-edition
 
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What this reviews show is how double standards the media is for AMD.

HUB should be admired for crapping on both products.

But to praise the RX7600 and crap heavily on the RTX 4060 just shows bias(linus tech tips).

The RTX 4060 is a better product everywhere than the RX7600 which is easily worth the 30 dollar price difference. Slightly better raster, better raytracing, lower power consumption and a better software feature set. Even AMD thinks this which is why they lowered the price of the RX 7600 further.

While I agree the RTX 4060 is a soso product better served at $250 dollars, it is a decent product where 8GB is appropriate for it's performance category.

A funny thing is everyone is highlighting the bus downgrade when Nvidia is doing it.

But AMD did this with the entire last gen, it was a highlight reel for the marvels of infinity cache.

5600xt 192bit bus --> 6600 Xt 128bit bus.
5700xt 256bit bus --> 192bit bus.
6900xt 256bit bus on a $1000 dollar card where AMD's previous high end had 512bit bus or 384bit bus.

Ironically the reason it works is the same, but the response from the media is completely different.
 

gdansk

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HUB should be admired for crapping on both products.

But to praise the RX7600 and crap heavily on the RTX 4060 just shows bias(linus tech tips).

The RTX 4060 is a better product everywhere than the RX7600 which is easily worth the 30 dollar price difference. Slightly better raster, better raytracing, lower power consumption and a better software feature set. Even AMD thinks this which is why they lowered the price of the RX 7600 further.

While I agree the RTX 4060 is a soso product better served at $250 dollars, it is a decent product where 8GB is appropriate for it's performance category.

A funny thing is everyone is highlighting the bus downgrade when Nvidia is doing it.

But AMD did this with the entire last gen, it was a highlight reel for the marvels of infinity cache.

5600xt 192bit bus --> 6600 Xt 128bit bus.
5700xt 256bit bus --> 192bit bus.
6900xt 256bit bus on a $1000 dollar card where AMD's previous high end had 512bit bus or 384bit bus.

Ironically the reason it works is the same, but the response from the media is completely different.
I don't recall many praising the RX 7600. Do you have a specific example in mind?

The problem is that the last generation for Nvidia had 12GB while RX 6000 series had the same or more memory compared to their predecessors.

The bus width is a red herring. It isn't really the right way to look at it. No one has ever cared as long as the performance is adequate for most games. Is anyone mad the RTX 4080 is only 256 bit? No we're mad it's $1200. It's the same here on the low end. The performance is "fine" generally but the price is the problem. Same with the RX 7600. But it's a bit cheaper so it gets a bit more slack by pricing it into the "well maybe you would actually buy that for 1080p" category.
 

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in a world where the 4090 is celebrated with the price it has, this is not too bad.
The 4090 is way better value for money than the 3090, so it actually offers a big improvement in bang for the buck for buyers in this tier.

But you cannot point to the reaction to that card to justify prices of cards that are not premium products. It's like arguing that people shouldn't complain about the Genesis GV70 having poor value when Ferrari has good sales, even though the extra speed of a Ferrari in no way matches the speed increase. It completely ignores that Ferrari offers a premium experience at a very premium price, for a very select group of buyers, who are not the kind of buyers that get a Genesis GV70.
 

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The RTX 4060 is a better product everywhere than the RX7600 which is easily worth the 30 dollar price difference. Slightly better raster, better raytracing, lower power consumption and a better software feature set. Even AMD thinks this which is why they lowered the price of the RX 7600 further.

People wanna compare it to RDNA 2 at it's firesale prices. The 6700 XT can still (for now) be had around $320.
 

Hans Gruber

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it seems a bit... average but solid enough, sure it doesn't look at all like the best perf/$,
but it has enough speed and is not that pricey that is probably going to sell ok?
there are far better value cards but they are a bit older or don't offer the same features, so it's kind of... hmmm

in a world where the 4090 is celebrated with the price it has, this is not too bad.

back in my day you could buy this sort of card in the sub $150 price category, but the high end was less than half of the 4090 also.
When times were not crazy. The Nvidia Titan was the top of the GPU line and was always $999. I can't remember if the Titan MSRP got up to $1,199 before gamers lost interest. The 4060 should be $199. Why do people think there are so many RX480 and RX580 cards still being used? The RX580 could be had for high $160's and always under $190 with 8GB of vram before the crypto craze.

The GTX 960 had an MSRP of $199 and the 1060 had an MSRP of $250. Just remember, memory prices are much lower today than they were in previous generations.
 

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When Nvidia is singing the praises of low power usage you know they're in trouble performance wise.

It would be strange if Nvidia released their next gen in 4 years. Maybe we'll get lots of refreshes (Ada ++++++++) while they're making bank on AI.
 

Hans Gruber

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People wanna compare it to RDNA 2 at it's firesale prices. The 6700 XT can still (for now) be had around $320.
AMD is not just leaving money on the table they are leaving cards in inventory by not having fire sale pricing on the 6800 and 6800xt. I do not understand the AMD logic. They are a country mile behind Nvidia in market share. I am not bashing the 6700xt, it's only got 12GB of vram and a fair margin behind the 6800/6800xt.
This is old technology (RDNA 2) and the price should reflect that.
 

jpiniero

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AMD is not just leaving money on the table they are leaving cards in inventory by not having fire sale pricing on the 6800 and 6800xt.

They have sorta. The 6800 XT's been under $500 but the supply of that has been drying up perhaps.
 

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Back in the real world, I don't think anyone cares that much about the name. Drop the price $50 and the tone of those reviews would have changed drastically
The point is they name it 4060 exactly in order not to drop those $50.
But rest assured, we'd got 7600XT now instead of 7600, had AMD not f****d up with the new arch.

P.S. And yeah, I believe product names matter almost as much as the "Nvidia" brand itself.
 
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Hans Gruber

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They have sorta. The 6800 XT's been under $500 but the supply of that has been drying up perhaps.
The story about (RDNA 2) supply drying up is propaganda. The GPU market is in a very deep depression. People were paying $800 for a 6600 during the crypto craze. Too many people got badly burned by AMD and Nvidia. The 6800 needs to be $300 and the 6800xt $350 to sell out all the inventory. Some would argue that will never happen. It's a very long way down to the bottom.

When you get down to the magic $199, that is normally when things change. The 1060 was the #1 GPU in the Steam component survey for years.
 

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SPBHM

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When times were not crazy. The Nvidia Titan was the top of the GPU line and was always $999. I can't remember if the Titan MSRP got up to $1,199 before gamers lost interest. The 4060 should be $199. Why do people think there are so many RX480 and RX580 cards still being used? The RX580 could be had for high $160's and always under $190 with 8GB of vram before the crypto craze.

The GTX 960 had an MSRP of $199 and the 1060 had an MSRP of $250. Just remember, memory prices are much lower today than they were in previous generations.
the thing about titan is that they offered "almost the same" (780 Ti, 980 TI and so on) for a lot less, so it wasn't really the high end people were buying as opposed to the 4090 which doesn't really have an alternative of similar power
 
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Hans Gruber

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the thing about titan is that they offered "almost the same" (780 Ti, 980 TI and so on) for a lot less, so it wasn't really the high end people were buying as opposed to the 4090 which doesn't really have an alternative of similar power
The sum of all fears the 4090ti...
 

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I do enjoy all these new 3 fan cards for the low end these days. Good for a laugh but hopefully at least they will be whisper quiet.

The Strix 4060... 3 fan edition. Pretty bling bling disco lights at least. Guesses on the price for tomorrow?


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Yeah, those are hilarious.

I remember reading someone saying, somewhere that the 4060 could be made cheaper because it could have a less expensive cooler.
 
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With marketing materials bragging about the low power usage of this card, I have to ask: where is the fanless version with the all copper heatsink?
 

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Just finally watched the Hardware Unboxed review and wow, what a complete and total trainwreck. I'm dying laughing seeing this card below the 3060 in some games and damn, their conclusion that the 4060 is a GTX 1650 or GTX 1050 Ti class of card with the price doubled. I love Hardware Unboxed having the balls to not toe company lines.
 
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Just finally watched the Hardware Unboxed review and wow, what a complete and total trainwreck. I'm dying laughing seeing this card below the 3060 in some games
Anyone waiting to upgrade better buy the 3060 12GB ASAP, before they get wiser and raise the price on it, either to make it look unattractive or because of more VRAM.
 
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