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Heartbreaker

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Sorry you live in a crappy country.

No need to insult Canada.

The lack of deals is more about me only buying from Amazon.ca. There were some nice 6700xt/3060 Ti deals in Canada as well, that put them very close to 4060 price so much better perf/$ than 4060, but they weren't at Amazon, and I've seen too many people have return hassles elsewhere.
 

Thunder 57

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No need to insult Canada.

The lack of deals is more about me only buying from Amazon.ca. There were some nice 6700xt/3060 Ti deals in Canada as well, that put them very close to 4060 price so much better perf/$ than 4060, but they weren't at Amazon, and I've seen too many people have return hassles elsewhere.

No, you are right. But I guess I could complain about the crappy retail availablity you suffer though.
 

Heartbreaker

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No, you are right. But I guess I could complain about the crappy retail availablity you suffer though.
??

If I look at all outlets there are deals.

Just this morning I saw:
MSI Radeon RX 6750 XT Mech 2X $419 CAD. Still in stock.

RTX 4060 is $399 CAD. So 6750 XT is essentially 4060 price, but 4060 Ti performance, and 12GB of VRAM.
 

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Partners are reportedly disinterested in the 4060 Ti 16GB:

Guess nGreedia doesn't want to share more of the margin on this product with their partners.
 

Heartbreaker

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-Or sales are pretty low across the board and this is just going to be more unsold inventory that AIBs/retailers will get stuck buying high and selling low.

I do wonder if NVidia is keeping nearly all the extra margin on 16GB VRAM for themselves.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that NVidia doesn't just supply the GPU, but also supplies VRAM that they bought as well as a package for each card...

It kind of seems like it should be illegal for NVidia force AIBs to essentially buy VRAM from them at way over market pricing if they wanted to build a 16GB card.

AIBs should be allowed to got to the spot market to get VRAM at market price and thus improve their margin on 16GB cards.
 

jpiniero

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I seem to recall reading somewhere that NVidia doesn't just supply the GPU, but also supplies VRAM that they bought as well as a package for each card...

That is my understanding to be the case. But that's assuming a lot about what the actual price of the VRAM is.
 

maddie

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That is my understanding to be the case. But that's assuming a lot about what the actual price of the VRAM is.
I never believed in Dracula, but am now having 2nd thoughts. This beast myth won't die.
 

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You have to factor in the extra cost of doing clamshell too. Which... may not be that much, but adds just that bit more.
 

MrTeal

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You have to factor in the extra cost of doing clamshell too. Which... may not be that much, but adds just that bit more.
I'd imagine it's not just the increase in PCB production and assembly cost. You also have to engineer the new board, and then spin it up and maintain inventory for a board intended just for this one SKU. If the 4060 Ti is already selling like dog poop, I can imagine AIB's reaction to doing all that for a product that will probably sell a lot worse is going to be tepid unless Nvidia helps them out with margins on it.
 

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HWUB, does a 50 game! 4060 Ti follow-up vs the 3060 Ti, not because they think it's good, but because they think it's garbage. Wow, I really think they wouldn't need to do all that work to prove the obvious, really not worth the work they are putting into it:



50 games at 1440p, the 4060 Ti is just 5% faster than 3060 Ti.

New distinction for 4060 Ti, the worse impression of any new GPU ever, with only 1.6% of people viewing it positively:

 
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SteveGrabowski

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HWUB, does a 50 game! 4060 Ti follow-up vs the 3060 Ti, not because they think it's good, but because they think it's garbage. Wow, I really think they wouldn't need to do all that work to prove the obvious, really not worth the work they are putting into it:
God that 128 bit bus. Pretty funny seeing them say the already crappy for 2023 3060 Ti will likely age better than the 4060 Ti.
 

TESKATLIPOKA

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God that 128 bit bus. Pretty funny seeing them say the already crappy for 2023 3060 Ti will likely age better than the 4060 Ti.
I still don't understand why they designed Ad106 like this.
It has physically +50% SM, Cuda, TMUs, ROPs compared to AD107, although 2SM, 256Cuda, 8TMUs are deactivated. On the other hand, BW saw only a 6% uplift and there is 8MB more of L2 cache.
It's not surprising, 4060Ti performs <25% better compared to 4060.
It's truly the worst GPU of this generation for that price($399-499).
 
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jpiniero

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I still don't understand why they designed Ad106 like this.
It has physically +50% SM, Cuda, TMUs, ROPs compared to AD107, although 2SM, 256Cuda, 8TMUs are deactivated. On the other hand, BW saw only a 6% uplift and there is 8MB more of L2 cache.

Both were probally intended to be mobile only.
 

Heartbreaker

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I still don't understand why they designed Ad106 like this.
It has physically +50% SM, Cuda, TMUs, ROPs compared to AD107, although 2SM, 256Cuda, 8TMUs are deactivated. On the other hand, BW saw only a 6% uplift and there is 8MB more of L2 cache.
It's not surprising, 4060Ti performs <25% better compared to 4060.
It's truly the worst GPU of this generation for that price($399-499).

Also die sizes are baffling:

AD104 is ~57% larger than AD106.

But

AD106 is only ~18% larger than AD107.

It really seems like AD106 should be a bigger die to fit between the two more evenly, or the AD 107 shouldn't exist at all.

It seems like VERY strange product planning to have such a large gap, then have such a small one.
 

jpiniero

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AD106 is only ~18% larger than AD107.

It really seems like AD106 should be a bigger die to fit between the two more evenly, or the AD 107 shouldn't exist at all.

It seems like VERY strange product planning to have such a large gap, then have such a small one.

At that size the OPA and the fixed function must take up a very large % of the die size.

Plus I believe that AD107 was originally intended to be 96-bit.
 

TESKATLIPOKA

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Both were probally intended to be mobile only.
Even the mobile version is not that great, but the difference in performance is larger.

At that size the OPA and the fixed function must take up a very large % of the die size.

Plus I believe that AD107 was originally intended to be 96-bit.
It was designed with these specs from the beginning. You can't just change the specs half way.
You would have to change the whole layout of the chip.
Even If Ad106 was mainly for mobile and the reason for 128-bit GDDR6, they should at least have put more cache inside.
 
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Heartbreaker

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Both were probally intended to be mobile only.

It doesn't make sense that their lowest desktop card would be a 4070. iGPU/APUs haven't come that far yet.

The AD107, should have have been mobile only, and AD106 should have been their low end GPU Card, at a much lower price, then it wouldn't seem so odd.

I went back to looks at the 3060 Ti review:

At 1440p 3060 Ti was ~50% faster than 2060 Super.

At 1440p 4060 Ti is ~5% faster than 3060 Ti.

Both results according to HWUB.
 

tajoh111

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Still AMD is evil?

It could be worse. The next generation could be slower than the previous generation(overall not a game or two).

 

gdansk

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It could be worse. The next generation could be slower than the previous generation(overall not a game or two).

It was a SKU shift. The real successor to the 5850 was the 6950 (both $300 as I recall)
 
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