NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

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MrTeal

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If you can route 8 (or more) full channels on one side of the board, you can more easily route 8 half channels.

IMO, it's just laziness. Instead of completely rerouting the board (a complete redesign), they can just use the current routing or minimally changed and just sink routes through the board at current locations. This makes sense from a time/costs savings perspective, but is a negative for VRAM cooling.

I bet if this was planned from day one, they would have routed them all on the GPU side.
I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) in clamshell mode the data signals are separate for each chip and can be routed point to point, but the command/address signals which would normally be all run to a single chip need to run to both. The GDDR standard allows for pin swapping specifically so that you can run clamshell with those signals mirrored on both sides, allowing you to run the CA signals to where the devices are and then split at the via. CA runs at 2xf, which isn't as critical as the data lines, but it would still create impedance issues if you have to t the signals 10s of mm before the chips and run them to two separate chips.
 

Heartbreaker

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I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) in clamshell mode the data signals are separate for each chip and can be routed point to point, but the command/address signals which would normally be all run to a single chip need to run to both.

That is my understanding. I just figured that CA bandwidth being much lower, the extra mm's of length wouldn't be a big issue. But you may be correct, and it is an issue.

The only clamshell designs I have seen so far had so many chips on the front, that they pretty much had no choice but to use the rear. I thought we might see them all the same side with a low chip count clamshell.
 

Mopetar

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GN mentioned it in a recent video. They said under load it didn't seem like the NAND was getting overly warm, but thought that it might be warmer at low loads than it would otherwise be.
 

Heartbreaker

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4060 Ti 16GB is supposedly officially launched today, only there seems to be no reviews and no cards for sale:

 

GodisanAtheist

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4060 Ti 16GB is supposedly officially launched today, only there seems to be no reviews and no cards for sale:


-We've been jebaited!!!
 
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kondziowy

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Which one is it ?
  1. No reviews because price too high.
  2. No reviews because 16GB is what should be in all 4060/4060ti/4070 cards and it's embarrassing.
  3. No reviews because it's the same performance as 8GB model so nothing to see here, all cards have adequate specs and 16GB is overkill.
 

Golgatha

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Which one is it ?
  1. No reviews because price too high.
  2. No reviews because 16GB is what should be in all 4060/4060ti/4070 cards and it's embarrassing.
  3. No reviews because it's the same performance as 8GB model so nothing to see here, all cards have adequate specs and 16GB is overkill.
This is your cheap (and more underpowered than one would like) content creation card. For gaming it's another waste of sand.
 
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Heartbreaker

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I'm reminded of movie reviewers complaining when a studio wouldn't have a critic screening before release. It was clear indication that the studio knew the movie was so bad, that any early reviews were going to be worse than no reviews at all.

So I get that. We all know it's going to have garbage perf/$, and get roasted in reviews, and be the new meme for poor value GPUs, so you want to keep a low profile

But a launch with no stock at all. That is even stranger.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Why even launch it then? Seems like it would be kinda fun for NV to build a prototype to pass around to reviewers to go "see, 16GB at this performance level doesn't change anything about performance, stop complaining about 8GB" but instead they went and built a whole product around it?

Whole thing is uncharacteristically JV league for NV, but I figure they'll still make a ton of money off this thing with the low info folks who have swallowed the 8GB pill throwing money at it for future proofing.
 

Heartbreaker

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IMO, the card is pointless for gaming, but 16GB at this price is good for Machine Learning, or some other potential productivity use cases.

If just for gaming, and worried about 8GB limit, get a 67x0 XT...
 

Mopetar

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Whole thing is uncharacteristically JV league for NV, but I figure they'll still make a ton of money off this thing with the low info folks who have swallowed the 8GB pill throwing money at it for future proofing.

I think it's have to be anyone who doesn't even read reviews, because this will not perform substantially better than the 8 GB model in most games.

It won't have as many issues if the game hits the 8 GB VRAM wall, but for anything outside of that the averages aren't going to change at all. Even the review sites that do look at the 1% and even .1% lows don't always include those in the overall charts.

If someone is looking at picking one of these up 2 or 3 years from now when they're far cheaper, the 16 GB is obviously going to make a big difference. The problem right now is that neither version of the 4060 Ti is a good value. Adding another 8 GB for an extra $100 is just polishing a turd. Or maybe a Tird in this case.
 

Heartbreaker

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Pricing finally showed up at Newegg.ca. 16GB Ti starts at $680 CAD (+$10 shipping).

Kind of expected, but still ridiculous.
 
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kondziowy

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Up to 3x more fps than 4060Ti 8GB for only 100$ more!!
Seems like an awesome deal to be honest <devil smile>
 
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