NV 4060 / 4060TI reviews

[Leeea]

Would you rather the game stutter?

I would rather the user be able to make a fully informed decision about their GPU purchase.


More over, if this becomes common knowledge it opens up room for a competitor to come in and shake the market up by offering high VRAM GPUs at reasonable prices (looking at you Intel). Although AMD could do the same. In some ways with its multi-chip GPU tech AMD is better positioned.

For that matter, AMD does have some nice 16 GB offerings already at decent prices from last gen. But AMD also has some crap 8 GB offerings that deserve to be rightly held to account.

What is going to be curious is where the 12 GB offerings drop in.

 

[moonbogg]

The 4060Ti should be $250 and the 4070Ti should be $400. Just thought I'd share.

 

[kondziowy]

I've been thinking and I've decided to put 4060 on the podium of the worst cards in hostory, in second place next to legendary GeForce FX5200. It's because FX5200 was the last time I remember when next gen card was worse than previous 4200Ti. But FX5200 case was extreme one, with worse DirectX support. People were "upgrading" from 4200Ti / 4600Ti, it was hilarious. This is much better now, only vram is downgraded vs 3060 12GB, but it has impact on image quality on day1 so... yep , because of that together with a price hike - second place on the podium. Downgrade, not in all aspects, but downgrade for someone upgrading from previous gen.

 

[DeathReborn]

Happened across this video on Youtube with a 4060 in a old system, kinda surprising but also not a reason to buy one.

 

[Thunder 57]

I've been thinking and I've decided to put 4060 on the podium of the worst cards in hostory, in second place next to legendary GeForce FX5200. It's because FX5200 was the last time I remember when next gen card was worse than previous 4200Ti. But FX5200 case was extreme one, with worse DirectX support. People were "upgrading" from 4200Ti / 4600Ti, it was hilarious. This is much better now, only vram is downgraded vs 3060 12GB, but it has impact on image quality on day1 so... yep , because of that together with a price hike - second place on the podium. Downgrade, not in all aspects, but downgrade for someone upgrading from previous gen.

4200 Ti was a rather popular card. And it supported DX8. DX9 on the FX series was nearly unusable. The whole FX linup was garbage.

Are you sure you don't mean the Geforce 4 MX, which was BS marketing at its best?

 

[kondziowy]

4200 Ti was a rather popular card. And it supported DX8. DX9 on the FX series was nearly unusable. The whole FX linup was garbage.

Are you sure you don't mean the Geforce 4 MX, which was BS marketing at its best?

I had a friend who bought fx5200 and was disgusted, so I had a real experience with a victim I had 4200Ti at the time and don't really remember MX series. I was just a small kid.

 

[BFG10K]

First written review I've found:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB Review - Twice the VRAM Making a Difference?

Finally! Our GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB review is live. We're investigating what performance gains you can expect from doubling the VRAM size to 16 GB. Our review of the 16 GB version also looks at power consumption and how overclocking is affected by the additional four memory chips on the back...

www.techpowerup.com

Unfortunately TPU don't seem to know how to test for VRAM problems like HWUB.

 

[coercitiv]

Unfortunately TPU don't seem to know how to test for VRAM problems like HWUB.

They'll get there eventually. The comment thread starts with people thinking the VRAM issue was overblown (based on review data), but then takes the expected turn to discuss HUB findings, from missing textures to very bad %1 lows in some games.

 

[Heartbreaker]

They'll get there eventually. The comment thread starts with people thinking the VRAM issue was overblown (based on review data), but then takes the expected turn to discuss HUB findings, from missing textures to very bad %1 lows in some games.

Depends on what the goal is. HWUB is essentially cherry picking the most VRAM hungry games, then running at the Ultra settings, plus RT (where available), looking for situations that will break 8GB. So yeah, they proved that you can break a card with 8GB of VRAM. That doesn't make 8GB VRAM useless. Since Ultra Settings aren't needed, you can just turn the settings down a notch.

Most people agree that Ultra setting are dumb, including HWUB:

So, yay, HWUB proves that in a handful of games, running settings they recommend against, you can break 8GB cards.

For gaming I wouldn't pay $100 for that extra 8GB, and it's not because $100 is that overpriced for 8GB added in a product, but because it makes little difference. Apple charges $200 for 8GB more on the Mac Mini, and I would pay it there, because it's much more beneficial.

 

[Ranulf]

Indeed, at times the debate over Ultra and High settings is silly (very much game dependent) but the overall point is that today, $300-400 for a card with only 8GB of ram is dumb and pretty much a scam. 16GB is just icing on the cake of greedy gpu corps..

 

[Heartbreaker]

Indeed, at times the debate over Ultra and High settings is silly (very much game dependent) but the overall point is that today, $300-400 for a card with only 8GB of ram is dumb and pretty much a scam. 16GB is just icing on the cake of greedy gpu corps..

I don't think $300 for 8GB GPU is a problem. $400 for an 8GB card, is too much, but calling a scam is a bit ridiculous.

 

[blckgrffn]

I don't think $300 for 8GB GPU is a problem. $400 for an 8GB card, is too much, but calling a scam is a bit ridiculous.

The issue, IMO, is that the previous $300 card (3060) had 12GB of ram. The regression is silly, even if the card is better in so many other ways. Before we say that was a $350 card or whatever, I did buy two new at ~$300.

I liked the 3060 (and even the 2060 12GB, which was more of a $200 card!). If we had the core performance updated to 3060ti levels and kept the 12GB buffer with a reduction in power usage that would have been fine by me. Damning with faint praise but fine nonetheless. The core would have been able to breathe better with the wider bus too, providing more value and ultimately a longer useful lifetime. It would have been an easy card to recommend, even if it had landed goldilocks style back at $349.

Giving us less for the same money sucks.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The issue, IMO, is that the previous $300 card (3060) had 12GB of ram. The regression is silly,...

No, it really isn't. The more expensive 3060 Ti, 3070, 3070 Ti, and even 3080 all had less memory than the 3060. The 3060 didn't have 12GB because it was considered the minimum or preferred. It was the anomaly because of it's bus size, that couldn't work with the preferred 8GB of VRAM, that several cards above it had.

In the new cards you have the opposite situation, where the 4060 bus size can't work with 12GB, even if were preferred.

If I were making minimal changes to the lineup, I think the 4060 is fine at 8GB, but the 4060 Ti should have had a wider bus and 12GB, and that would make much more sense, and it would have performed significantly better and probably would have been considered decent in reviews.

I think the 4070 is ok with 12GB, but likewise the 4070 Ti should have a wider bus and 16GB...

4080 ok at 16GB, but there could be a 20GB model between it and the 4090...

 

[blckgrffn]

No, it really isn't. The more expensive 3060 Ti, 3070, 3070 Ti, and even 3080 all had less memory than the 3060. The 3060 didn't have 12GB because it was considered the minimum or preferred. It was the anomaly because of it's bus size, that couldn't work with the preferred 8GB of VRAM, that several cards above it had.

In the new cards you have the opposite situation, where the 4060 bus size can't work with 12GB, even if were preferred.

If I were making minimal changes to the lineup, I think the 4060 is fine at 8GB, but the 4060 Ti should have had a wider bus and 12GB, and that would make much more sense, and it would have performed significantly better and probably would have been considered decent in reviews.

I think the 4070 is ok with 12GB, but likewise the 4070 Ti should have a wider bus and 16GB...

4080 ok at 16GB, but there could be a 20GB model between it and the 4090...

The cards above the 3060 didn't have 12GB or more not because nvidia didn't feel it was needed, but because they new it would give them an easy upsell in future generations.

The current generation of consoles was fully baked and they knew that this would drive 10-12GB of vram usage on the regular at higher resolutions but they didn't accommodate it even on cards costing nearly $1k.

This is just nvidia caring about their bottom line long term, which is fine. But don't mistake their strategies for your best interests, or the best interests of the larger market including developers.

 

[jpiniero]

The cards above the 3060 didn't have 12GB or more not because nvidia didn't feel it was needed, but because they new it would give them an easy upsell in future generations.

I feel like I have to mention this again... but for GDDR6X, 1 GB was the only option available for most of Ampere's life. They could have refreshed with 2 GB chips at some point... but didn't.

I believe the only Ampere that ended up shipping with 2 GB GDDR6X is the 3090 Ti.

 

[Ranulf]

I don't think $300 for 8GB GPU is a problem. $400 for an 8GB card, is too much, but calling a scam is a bit ridiculous.

It is when the supposed ultimate 1080p cards have gone from $200-300 to $300-500 and now barely beat the previous gen. We've had 8GB for 7 years now at that level. We had regression with the 5600XT, 3 years ago with 6GB at $279 (and 6+ months late) and a 2060 6GB for $350 (a $100 price increase over the 1060). A $400 4060ti with 8GB of ram that you're already turning down settings on from ultra or high because of the low ram or lack of gpu performance.

Yeah, that ray tracing stuff is neat. Get back to me in another 5 years when it isn't locked behind $600+ cards and really $1k+ cards with decent amounts of ram to handle RT and the new frame generation stuff.

 

[nurturedhate]

I don't think $300 for 8GB GPU is a problem. $400 for an 8GB card, is too much, but calling a scam is a bit ridiculous.

rx480 8gb was $239... in 2016...

 

[blckgrffn]

I feel like I have to mention this again... but for GDDR6X, 1 GB was the only option available for most of Ampere's life. They could have refreshed with 2 GB chips at some point... but didn't.

I believe the only Ampere that ended up shipping with 2 GB GDDR6X is the 3090 Ti.

Again, I'll mention that really only matters on the 3080, and they had no issues creating a 12GB 3080. Great card.

The 3060ti/3070 used slow, wide GDDR6 and the 3070ti could have easily used 16 GB of up-spec GDDR6 and gained both bandwidth and capacity.

 

[jpiniero]

Again, I'll mention that really only matters on the 3080, and they had no issues creating a 12GB 3080. Great card.

That's because the 3080 12 GB is just a slightly less cut down card. It's still 1 GB chips.

You could say that nVidia could have done new Ampere cards w/ 2 GB chips instead of the 4060/Ti... but they didn't.

 

[Mopetar]

If the game is downgrading textures that needs to be made clear, upfront, and viewer needs to be informed the GPU is displaying a degraded experience. A seperate chart for "downgrading texture GPUs" could be provided.

I think the low quality textures are on the game engine, not the card. Some games just turn into a stuttering mess while maintaining quality. Others cut quality to maintain frame rate. I'd just disqualify the game entirely from use in benchmarks for card comparisons.

 

[Heartbreaker]

A $400 4060ti with 8GB of ram that you're already turning down settings on from ultra or high because of the low ram or lack of gpu performance.

I've been pretty clear that I don't consider the $400, 8GB 4060 Ti, acceptable.

OTOH, there weren't many people complaining about the $500 8GB RXT 3070 last generation, so I don't think accepting a $300 8GB card on this generation to be an issue.

Since the HW isn't going to change for a while, only price cuts can remedy things this generation.

4060 at $250, 4060 Ti at $300, and 4060 Ti 16GB at $400 would work for me, but that's very unlikely as well.

 

[igor_kavinski]

ARC A770 offers better value.



Look at A770 towering far above the poor valued 4060 Ti 16GB:

 

[jpiniero]

I think the low quality textures are on the game engine, not the card. Some games just turn into a stuttering mess while maintaining quality. Others cut quality to maintain frame rate. I'd just disqualify the game entirely from use in benchmarks for card comparisons.

It's not just low quality - I think in most cases it's the LOD texture.

 

[coercitiv]

Most people agree that Ultra setting are dumb, including HWUB:

You seem to conflate everything under the Ultra umbrella, as if Ultra textures can be downgraded just as easily as Ultra Particle FX.

We've had multiple examples now where 8GB of VRAM leads to a different experience in games. Downgraded textures, missing textures, texture pop-in. The alternative is stutter or some other performance issues. Even Digital Foundry mentions the 4060 needs to drop textures to High in Spider Man Miles Morales once you aim for actual gaming sessions where VRAM allocation tends to vary:

Last but not least, I don't understand your stance on the "worth" of the extra 8GB for $100. You don't find the base 8GB card acceptable either, yet you write an entire post disagreeing with me because reasons. During this post you make it clear the extra 8GB is not worth $100 because the benefit is marginal. And then a bit later you write this:

4060 at $250, 4060 Ti at $300, and 4060 Ti 16GB at $400 would work for me, but that's very unlikely as well.

So when the 4060 Ti is $300, the extra $100 for another 8Gb would "work for you"?! What happened to buying the 16GB Mac Mini Instead?

 

[Ranulf]

OTOH, there weren't many people complaining about the $500 8GB RXT 3070 last generation, so I don't think accepting a $300 8GB card on this generation to be an issue.

Eh, I remember enough of us being skeptical but either way, this isn't two years ago. But if you're playing current or older games the ram won't matter. Then again, if it doesn't matter that much why not buy one of the older cheaper 8GB cards that are two years old now? Frame generation I guess.