Discussion NVIDIA Q3 2024 results thread

tamz_msc

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Such an impoverished company, yo. Totally makes sense why they've been shipping 8GB for the last decade.
Yeah no - NVIDIA can Thanos snap AMD out of existence by buying everything they sell and still retain near 60% margins. Their DC revenue has reached critical mass, only a matter of time before they reduce the margins on their consumer GPUs to send RTG packing home, if they choose to.

Be grateful the NVIDIA hasn't done so yet.
 
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BFG10K

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Yeah no - NVIDIA can Thanos snap AMD out of existence by buying everything they sell and still retain near 60% margins.
Nope, that's an illegal anti-trust violation so regulators would stop that.

Their DC revenue has reached critical mass, only a matter of time before they reduce the margins on their consumer GPUs to send RTG packing home, if they choose to.
Except no, because getting ~99% dGPU market share would make anti-trust regulators go after them.

Also there's nothing stopping Intel & AMD reacting by blocking NV. If an NV GPU is detected, disable any PCIe lanes attached to it, including laptops. After all, chipsets are Intel & AMD IP, so why should NV reap the benefits for free?

Doing so would basically wipe NV from the x86 market overnight, leaving Intel/AMD APUs to fill the void. And I'm not sure either of them would mind such a scenario, to be honest.
 
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jpiniero

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They don't list it out by market, but Graphics as a whole was like 40% net margins (the Operating Income was about 1.5B)

Most of that is gaming.
 

tajoh111

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Their previous guidance for this quarter was 16 billion. They pummeled that forecast again.
Nope, that's an illegal anti-trust violation so regulators would stop that.


Except no, because getting ~99% dGPU market share would make anti-trust regulators go after them.

Also there's nothing stopping Intel & AMD reacting by blocking NV. If an NV GPU is detected, disable any PCIe lanes attached to it, including laptops. After all, chipsets are Intel & AMD IP, so why should NV reap the benefits for free?

Doing so would basically wipe NV from the x86 market overnight, leaving Intel/AMD APUs to fill the void. And I'm not sure either of them would mind such a scenario, to be honest.

Getting a monopoly through superior products and innovations is legal. It difficult to prove you obtained a monopoly illegally.

Intel blocking Nvidia graphics would torpedo their desktop gaming CPU's since no one wants to game with Intel graphics and similarly if AMD blocked Nvidia graphics, that would sent a lot of customers to intel. Nvidia still represents 80 percent of the market and is generally the preferred brand. Also AMD or Intel blocking a Nvidia discrete would definitely be anticompetitive when they make discrete graphics themselves and such a solution is silly. It would also force Nvidia's hand to accelerate an ARM desktop/laptop CPU plans. With Nvidia current cashflow, this is not something either company wants. 10 billion in profit quarterly give Nvidia a number of ways to squash AMD.

Nvidia having high prices currently is what is giving AMD a lifeline today in graphics. If Nvidia wanted to price their products low, AMD would be in trouble.

If Nvidia for example priced the RTX 4060, 4070, 4080 and RTX 4090 at $200, $349, $649 and $999 respectively like gamers want. It would destroy AMD profit for their graphic division. RTG would take huge loses by forcing AMD to sell their graphics at cost and thus, unable to recoup any R and D investment. This could be considered predatory pricing if it could be shown Nvidia was selling at a loss at those prices. This is pointless and not a market worth spending such an expensive move.

What I can see Nvidia doing that would be anticompetitive but not illegal is buying all capacity for for CoWoS.

Currently the market is already constrained with Nvidia buying the lion share of the capacity. With these types of profit and with Nvidia likely spending more at TSMC than AMD, any excess capacity is best purchase by Nvidia to block AMD out of the AI market.

I think AMD expect and has forcasted this as well. AMD has said they expect to sell MI300 in the low hundreds of thousands which matches up well with their 2 billion in revenue in 2024 for Mi300. E.g 100-150k x $20000 = 2 to 3 billion dollars. With 2 million H100 products + Blackwell + Amphere on top of this, Nvidia has the financial power at the moment to drown AMD's Datacenter plans when you combine it with Nvidia rapid product release schedule.
 

jpiniero

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With TSMC's prices, nobody is going to do a price war.

Except Intel maybe... when a price war is not raising prices. Much.
 

Heartbreaker

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Nope, that's an illegal anti-trust violation so regulators would stop that.


Except no, because getting ~99% dGPU market share would make anti-trust regulators go after them.

Also there's nothing stopping Intel & AMD reacting by blocking NV. If an NV GPU is detected, disable any PCIe lanes attached to it, including laptops. After all, chipsets are Intel & AMD IP, so why should NV reap the benefits for free?

Doing so would basically wipe NV from the x86 market overnight, leaving Intel/AMD APUs to fill the void. And I'm not sure either of them would mind such a scenario, to be honest.

Nope. It's not illegal to lower your margins, even if it drives competition out of business.

It's also not illegal to own even 100% of the market on something.

Microsoft and Intel only ran into trouble for Abusing their monopoly positions, not from having monopoly positions.
 

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Keep in mind that Nvidia is a multinational, so it's not just about US law. EU law is more strict about monopolies.

It would be very dumb for Nvidia to push AMD out of the GPU market and run a big risk of government intervention.
 
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