Stop buying music and movies!

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Who *buys* media nowadays anyway?

/ducks

I do. I understand the fact that many of the products won't be made if the consumers don't fund their creation. I do have a bad habit of skipping commercials on the DVR, though.

I think statistically people end up watching MORE commercials because they end up watching more tv with DVR.

Not sure where I read that though.

Except for the FF part of DVR I would agree with you

I don't know, I get lazy alot of times or I completely forget that I'm on DVR and watch it anyway, or I use the commercials as a break or....

 

[babylon5]

Why would people buy new music? The 'new' music out now is crap. Jonas Brothers? Maybe pre-teen girls would go crazy, but who else would?

Movies? I stop going to theater pretty much the past few years (with a few exception), when the ticket price keep edging up. Now I just rent DVD from Netflix, save me a ton of money.

No wonder why the media's revenue is going down.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: babylon5
Why would people buy new music? The 'new' music out now is crap. Jonas Brothers? Maybe pre-teen girls would go crazy, but who else would?

Movies? I stop going to theater pretty much the past few years (with a few exception), when the ticket price keep edging up. Now I just rent DVD from Netflix, save me a ton of money.

No wonder why the media's revenue is going down.

That's because you don't know/listen to bands that actually produce unique stuff.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: babylon5
Why would people buy new music? The 'new' music out now is crap. Jonas Brothers? Maybe pre-teen girls would go crazy, but who else would?

Movies? I stop going to theater pretty much the past few years (with a few exception), when the ticket price keep edging up. Now I just rent DVD from Netflix, save me a ton of money.

No wonder why the media's revenue is going down.

That's because you don't know/listen to bands that actually produce unique stuff.

I'm part of the problem, since I often quip that all the good music was made 1967-1980, with a few exceptions. New musinc isn't even on my radar. Rap is partly to blame.

 

[imported_dgingeri]

Originally posted by: Craig234


I'm part of the problem, since I often quip that all the good music was made 1967-1980, with a few exceptions. New musinc isn't even on my radar. Rap is partly to blame.

There's a lot of good new country coming out. Lately, I've found 4-5 albums I'd like to buy. I just bought one because I can't afford more, but they are still good.

not any innovation in hard rock, Rap, R&B, or pop lately. Hard rock can hardly even be called "hard" anymore. But country is doing well. lots of new types out there, thanks to Big & Rich and the artists they've brought to the genre. It isn't the whiney "can anything else go wrong" type music anymore. It's more about hope and a celebration of life, love, and marriage. It's got a much more positive message than most other music out there. I haven't heard anything else this positive come out of any other genre.

 

[TridenT]

DONE AND DONE SIR! But I stopped like... years ago. I think it was around the time I got broadband.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: dgingeri

Originally posted by: Craig234


I'm part of the problem, since I often quip that all the good music was made 1967-1980, with a few exceptions. New musinc isn't even on my radar. Rap is partly to blame.

There's a lot of good new country coming out. Lately, I've found 4-5 albums I'd like to buy. I just bought one because I can't afford more, but they are still good.

not any innovation in hard rock, Rap, R&B, or pop lately. Hard rock can hardly even be called "hard" anymore. But country is doing well. lots of new types out there, thanks to Big & Rich and the artists they've brought to the genre. It isn't the whiney "can anything else go wrong" type music anymore. It's more about hope and a celebration of life, love, and marriage. It's got a much more positive message than most other music out there. I haven't heard anything else this positive come out of any other genre.

Rap sucks first and foremost.

On to real music. Look into Symphonic Metal bands (Lacuna Coil, Within Temptation, Leaves Eyes, Nightwish), and european bands. There isn't a ton of US stuff I like, but the rare things I do like that's US based are smaller "underground" bands anymore. Try some of the bands in here

I was beginning to think that way as well about a year or two ago, but have since (with the help of friends) found a ton of music that I think is unique and enjoyable. I also got back into the 90's grunge music because a lot of those songs are timeless classics IMO. Then again the 90's was most of my childhood, and that's what I spent a lot of time listening to. It has a special place in my heart

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
DONE AND DONE SIR! But I stopped like... years ago. I think it was around the time I got broadband.

yay for stealing



I mean seriously, it's not so bad that people so blatantly do it, but to try to justify it is fucking laughable.


(fair use folks, I'm not talking to you)

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
DONE AND DONE SIR! But I stopped like... years ago. I think it was around the time I got broadband.

yay for stealing

lol, I never bought movies or music to begin with though. Only once or twice in my life have I ever bought a CD and I regretted it terribly. (Band sucked) I have only like once or twice ever bought a movie and that I didn't regret too badly... even though I only watched the movie once. >_< I would only buy games and I still buy games. I only buy a game if it requires me to enjoy it further. (Multiplayer)

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
DONE AND DONE SIR! But I stopped like... years ago. I think it was around the time I got broadband.

yay for stealing

lol, I never bought movies or music to begin with though. Only once or twice in my life have I ever bought a CD and I regretted it terribly. (Band sucked) I have only like once or twice ever bought a movie and that I didn't regret too badly... even though I only watched the movie once. >_< I would only buy games and I still buy games. I only buy a game if it requires me to enjoy it further. (Multiplayer)

Thanks, I needed that quote



And with that, I would like to bring back this gem

Consumers aren't stealing nearly as much as the studios say they are.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
DONE AND DONE SIR! But I stopped like... years ago. I think it was around the time I got broadband.

yay for stealing

lol, I never bought movies or music to begin with though. Only once or twice in my life have I ever bought a CD and I regretted it terribly. (Band sucked) I have only like once or twice ever bought a movie and that I didn't regret too badly... even though I only watched the movie once. >_< I would only buy games and I still buy games. I only buy a game if it requires me to enjoy it further. (Multiplayer)

Thanks, I needed that quote



And with that, I would like to bring back this gem

Consumers aren't stealing nearly as much as the studios say they are.

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
I guess I didn't even mention the music industry, but they are in need of change as well. Trent Reznor was able to satisfy all my requirements when he released Ghosts I-IV online. He had Ghosts I released for free in a lower quality mp3 file, had the whole album available in high quality mp3s and CD quality lossless flac, and even put up 24bit 96khz lossless flac. All albums were tagged and included album art. And best of all, he only charged $5 for his album and made $1.6 million in the first week his released it. The only advertising he had were online sites like digg and slashdot. This is how I want to buy my music. Except what would be nice is if I had an account and I could redownload my album at any time after buying it (I think he allowed his). small article

Ghosts I-IV wasn't even a normal release album. It just contained tracks from Reznor playing around with different musical instruments. Reznor made so much money that he put up his next album, The Slip, for free on his site before you could get it in stores. A flac rip was included.

I just wanted to echo how awesome this was. Even before this Trent had the multitracks from a lot of his album releases plus most (all?) of the songs from his remix albums posted on his website. Plus there's the slew of fan remixes that are hosted there as well, a lot of which are very good. Here is an artist that wants people to enjoy his music, encourages people to alter and remix his music, doesn't treat fans like criminals, and makes a butt load of money in the process.

That is because he actually can create music, and is a true artist. Most of the bands now just play the same shit that has been recycled, because they cannot (or won't) produce unique music. If bands were forced to follow a similar business model as TR, a lot of them wouldn't be successful because of their lack of original works.

Which goes back to the actual problem, which is the vast majority of todays music SUCKS therefor it can't survive without the big studios marketing them. GOOD music survives and thrives WITHOUT interference from the big studios. Fuck them and their shitty "artists".

Unfortunately it's no longer about the music, it's about the image, and that's all the industry people care about.

 

[Ns1]

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Results 1 - 10 of about 191,000,000 for torrent
Results 1 - 10 of about 41,900,000 for emule
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for limewire
Results 1 - 10 of about 113,000,000 for rapidshare


And those are only 4 I know off the top of my head, and I'm pertty out of the game. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing here.

Face it, people have been jacking shit at an increasing rate ever since Napster.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I legally "try before I buy" using Netflix for movies and Napster for music. For games I rely on demos and reviews.

Unfortunately, game demos seem to be becoming a thing of the past.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Results 1 - 10 of about 191,000,000 for torrent
Results 1 - 10 of about 41,900,000 for emule
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for limewire
Results 1 - 10 of about 113,000,000 for rapidshare


And those are only 4 I know off the top of my head, and I'm pertty out of the game. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing here.

Face it, people have been jacking shit at an increasing rate ever since Napster.

lol, just because google gave you a lot of results doesn't mean everyone is using bit torrent.

Does my mom and dad know of bit torrent? No... Do my brother and sister? No... A lot of people at my college don't even know about it.

Who cares, screw movies and music and games. If they want money then they need to innovate.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Pastore

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
I guess I didn't even mention the music industry, but they are in need of change as well. Trent Reznor was able to satisfy all my requirements when he released Ghosts I-IV online. He had Ghosts I released for free in a lower quality mp3 file, had the whole album available in high quality mp3s and CD quality lossless flac, and even put up 24bit 96khz lossless flac. All albums were tagged and included album art. And best of all, he only charged $5 for his album and made $1.6 million in the first week his released it. The only advertising he had were online sites like digg and slashdot. This is how I want to buy my music. Except what would be nice is if I had an account and I could redownload my album at any time after buying it (I think he allowed his). small article

Ghosts I-IV wasn't even a normal release album. It just contained tracks from Reznor playing around with different musical instruments. Reznor made so much money that he put up his next album, The Slip, for free on his site before you could get it in stores. A flac rip was included.

I just wanted to echo how awesome this was. Even before this Trent had the multitracks from a lot of his album releases plus most (all?) of the songs from his remix albums posted on his website. Plus there's the slew of fan remixes that are hosted there as well, a lot of which are very good. Here is an artist that wants people to enjoy his music, encourages people to alter and remix his music, doesn't treat fans like criminals, and makes a butt load of money in the process.

That is because he actually can create music, and is a true artist. Most of the bands now just play the same shit that has been recycled, because they cannot (or won't) produce unique music. If bands were forced to follow a similar business model as TR, a lot of them wouldn't be successful because of their lack of original works.

Which goes back to the actual problem, which is the vast majority of todays music SUCKS therefor it can't survive without the big studios marketing them. GOOD music survives and thrives WITHOUT interference from the big studios. Fuck them and their shitty "artists".

Unfortunately it's no longer about the music, it's about the image, and that's all the industry people care about.

It's been that way for a long time. What's changed is the potential for a new distribution method. Good music can make it now with self-distribution, crappy music still needs the industry pushing it along and the kids and teenagers they market to. Bands that have an established fan base should especially be flocking to this new distribution. The fact that most aren't is pretty telling. They don't think their product can stand on its own without the industry machine behind it. A lot of them may be right.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Ns1

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Results 1 - 10 of about 191,000,000 for torrent
Results 1 - 10 of about 41,900,000 for emule
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for limewire
Results 1 - 10 of about 113,000,000 for rapidshare


And those are only 4 I know off the top of my head, and I'm pertty out of the game. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing here.

Face it, people have been jacking shit at an increasing rate ever since Napster.

lol, just because google gave you a lot of results doesn't mean everyone is using bit torrent.

Does my mom and dad know of bit torrent? No... Do my brother and sister? No... A lot of people at my college don't even know about it.

Who cares, screw movies and music and games. If they want money then they need to innovate.

You have the worst logic ever.

Who cares, screw movies and music and games. If they want money then they need to innovate.

Or they can sue the shit out of worthless pieces of shit like you. Entitlement FTMFL

If I was somewhat sympathetic to you before I am no longer.

Seriously what the fuck kind of logic is this:

"This product is shitty, therefore I deserve full use of it at no cost to me"

 

[Brainonska511]

1) If you download stuff, keep it, and never pay for it, you are an asshat. No question about it.
2) If you don't want to support RIAA affiliated labels, don't buy music from them. Buy direct from the artist or just go to the artist's shows. There is no justification for downloading illegally.
3) Movie and music companies need to understand that restrictive DRM only hurts legitimate consumers. Additionally, if you purchase a CD or a DVD, you should be able to rip to any format you want to use and move it to a portable device using a standard computer. Also, make it easier to download movies and music (DRM free) off the net. People would definitely pay for that capability, though, it should not be at the same price as buying the physical media.

4) Copyright laws need to be revised. 100 years for copyrights is absolutely ridiculous and robs the public domain. Creativity breeds creativity. Something more reasonable can be thought up, so that the creators make their money and then some. Obviously, you can just trademark something like Mickey Mouse, but the old-old cartoons should be in the public domain at this point.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Ns1

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Results 1 - 10 of about 191,000,000 for torrent
Results 1 - 10 of about 41,900,000 for emule
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for limewire
Results 1 - 10 of about 113,000,000 for rapidshare


And those are only 4 I know off the top of my head, and I'm pertty out of the game. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing here.

Face it, people have been jacking shit at an increasing rate ever since Napster.

lol, just because google gave you a lot of results doesn't mean everyone is using bit torrent.

Does my mom and dad know of bit torrent? No... Do my brother and sister? No... A lot of people at my college don't even know about it.

Who cares, screw movies and music and games. If they want money then they need to innovate.

I also think the numbers thrown around with regards to piracy are very misleading. The RIAA method of counting any download as a lost sale is flawed IMO, it's a much more complex issue than that. Many people who download probably wouldn't have bought it in the first place, but if they can get it for free, why not? A lot of people like to try before buying. Then there are people who download something they've purchased, but maybe the CD has been scratched up or otherwise destroyed.

Litigation has been successful to some extent I think. I honestly believe in the Napster days when filesharing was becoming more mainstream, a lot of people downloaded not realizing what they were doing was illegal. Now, I'm sure most people are aware that the practice is wrong, but filesharing still occurs. They just need to accept that there will always be a group of users who absolutely aren't willing to pay for music, or are downloading for semi-legitimate purposes (trial, replacing damaged media, etc.).

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Ns1

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Results 1 - 10 of about 191,000,000 for torrent
Results 1 - 10 of about 41,900,000 for emule
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for limewire
Results 1 - 10 of about 113,000,000 for rapidshare


And those are only 4 I know off the top of my head, and I'm pertty out of the game. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing here.

Face it, people have been jacking shit at an increasing rate ever since Napster.

lol, just because google gave you a lot of results doesn't mean everyone is using bit torrent.

Does my mom and dad know of bit torrent? No... Do my brother and sister? No... A lot of people at my college don't even know about it.

Who cares, screw movies and music and games. If they want money then they need to innovate.

They can't innovate and fund their studios when asshats like you are using their products without paying for them, which I hate to call stealing as it is really copyright infringement, it lies in the same moral region.

And yes, we'll take your idiotic anecdotal evidence that no one knows about bittorrent or any of the other methods that exist or have existed for downloading content without paying for it :roll:.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I legally "try before I buy" using Netflix for movies and Napster for music. For games I rely on demos and reviews.

Unfortunately, game demos seem to be becoming a thing of the past.

Yes, developers are on a tight schedule and don't have time for those.

 

[imported_dgingeri]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555


Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Better question: how many general population consumers could figure out how to use a torrent program? I'd say less than 5%. Combine that with who would be willing to go through the trouble, and that looks like .5%, and combine that with those who don't have the conscience to think it is wrong, and you get about .1%.

 

[alphatarget1]

Thank God for Amazon mp3s. Fairly priced, no DRM (and I haven't shared with anybody).

RIAA and MPAA needs to get a clue.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Ns1

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Results 1 - 10 of about 191,000,000 for torrent
Results 1 - 10 of about 41,900,000 for emule
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for limewire
Results 1 - 10 of about 113,000,000 for rapidshare


And those are only 4 I know off the top of my head, and I'm pertty out of the game. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing here.

Face it, people have been jacking shit at an increasing rate ever since Napster.

lol, just because google gave you a lot of results doesn't mean everyone is using bit torrent.

Does my mom and dad know of bit torrent? No... Do my brother and sister? No... A lot of people at my college don't even know about it.

Who cares, screw movies and music and games. If they want money then they need to innovate.

They can't innovate and fund their studios when asshats like you are using their products without paying for them, which I hate to call stealing as it is really copyright infringement, it lies in the same moral region.

And yes, we'll take your idiotic anecdotal evidence that no one knows about bittorrent or any of the other methods that exist or have existed for downloading content without paying for it :roll:.

lol @ you. They WILL innovate when people don't want what they are giving. "Oh, people don't like this or want it differently or something else... Alright, let's do that."

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Ns1

Consumers in general aren't. How many consumers know of bittorrent?

Results 1 - 10 of about 191,000,000 for torrent
Results 1 - 10 of about 41,900,000 for emule
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for limewire
Results 1 - 10 of about 113,000,000 for rapidshare


And those are only 4 I know off the top of my head, and I'm pertty out of the game. I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing here.

Face it, people have been jacking shit at an increasing rate ever since Napster.

lol, just because google gave you a lot of results doesn't mean everyone is using bit torrent.

Does my mom and dad know of bit torrent? No... Do my brother and sister? No... A lot of people at my college don't even know about it.

Who cares, screw movies and music and games. If they want money then they need to innovate.

They can't innovate and fund their studios when asshats like you are using their products without paying for them, which I hate to call stealing as it is really copyright infringement, it lies in the same moral region.

And yes, we'll take your idiotic anecdotal evidence that no one knows about bittorrent or any of the other methods that exist or have existed for downloading content without paying for it :roll:.

lol @ you. They WILL innovate when people don't want what they are giving. "Oh, people don't like this or want it differently or something else... Alright, let's do that."

Question: Do you think that gives you a right to clearly violate their intellectual property?


Just because you think it's a "shitty product" does NOT give you a right to it.