Nothing but admiration for AMD's CPU designers.For Zen 4, AMD settled on a different area reduction strategy. Zen 4c leaves the architecture unchanged and targets lower clock speeds to reduce area. Remarkably, even the FPU and its full width 512-bit register file remain unchanged. Limiting Zen 4c to around 3.6 GHz let AMD use denser 6T SRAM for L1 caches, branch prediction storage, and translation caches. A smaller clock mesh and other optimizations let Zen 4c achieve a 35% area reduction for the entire core, not just the FPU. AMD continued by cutting L3 capacity in half, which made a lot of sense because the L3 takes up more area than the cores themselves on server and desktop Zen 2 compute dies (CCDs).
As a result, AMD was able to pack 16 cores into a die that’s just slightly larger than the standard 8 core Zen 4 CCD. That kind of change can open up new market segments, unlike shrinking Zen 2’s FPU in isolation.
You should link to the original source and not the butchered "translation" done by tom.AMD's Zen 2 FPU for PlayStation 5 is 35% smaller than a Ryzen 7 3800X but sacrifices nothing in terms of gaming performance
Just chop off what you don't need.www.tomshardware.com
Fascinating. No wonder they went with Zen4c and 5c rather than creating a separate E-core design from the ground up. Their engineers have exceptional thinking skills.
It is on N3E, if MLID is to be believed.Any chance 'Strix Halo' at N3 ??
it doesn't exist until Q3 (in select devices) either.Snapdragon X Elite is going to be unchallenged for 6 months.
Can't wait to see the "AI PC expert" skill to start appearing on resumes!AI PC slop
It's just nutella being desperate in catching the Next Big Thing.Can't wait to see the "AI PC expert" skill to start appearing on resumes!
Zen 5, just like Zen 3, is reusing existing socket. So much less need for extensive sampling to mobo makers.It's a repeat of Zen 3, performance leaks were really late back then too.
Combustex?Will Strix Point be announced alongside Zen 5 Desktop at Combustex 2024?
Me either. I have a laptop that I take when I travel, but its crap on games, and other things, and I hate the keyboard. I use it for what it was intended. I use my home computers for DC work, games and serious browsing.(30 tabs) I would never be able to do ANY of that on a laptop. (effectively) As in games, I would have to connect a 30 inch external monitor, e keyboard and a mouse. And the CPU / video card could not touch a 4080 ot a 4090.
Yeah probably. Though 99% of the audience wants a laptop. Or maybe not 99% but a lot of them.Client using mobile instead server dies doesn't mean it will be soldered. It will still be socketed and unlocked as usual, and 99% of the audience won't know nor notice the difference.
Kids (teens included) and women want slimmer laptops.Yeah probably. Though 99% of the audience wants a laptop. Or maybe not 99% but a lot of them.
I think the idea is that mobile and DiY/desktop will share dice but not form factor. In other words, no more sharing dice between workstation/server and desktop.
Yeah probably. Though 99% of the audience wants a laptop. Or maybe not 99% but a lot of them.
Devices with it will be available in Juneit doesn't exist until Q3 (in select devices) either.
They're all in the same batch of AI PC slop.
Most of Earth's population will face no challenge in ignoring it coz of how high it will be priced. Qualcomm is going after the marketshare of Surface devices. I doubt any Mac users will switch to Windows on ARM just coz of this CPU's better performance. Corporate America? Ummm maybe there's a chance that some companies may buy these laptops in bulk for their constantly-on-the-move employees. But the higher price tag of these laptops will limit adoption there too. I say maybe max 10 million laptops with Elite X sold in 6 months, if there are enough of these chips available and the OEMs are willing to go all in on WoA.View attachment 95635
Snapdragon X Elite is going to be unchallenged for 6 months.
You're funny.Devices with it will be available in June
10 million is a good number.I say maybe max 10 million laptops with Elite X sold in 6 months, if there are enough of these chips available and the OEMs are willing to go all in on WoA.
The caveat is still, will there be enough available if demand picks up?Overall about 300 million CPUs/SoCs are sold in the PC industry annually. For 6 months that is 150 million. 10 million out of 150 million is 6.66%.
You mean in store availability at that time too, or only announcement?No. Computex.
Meh, whatever. I don't know why anyone really believes that.It seems we are back to Zen 5 being 10% faster than Zen 4 and getting CRUSHED Gundam style by arrowlake. Between -5 and +40% is my guess
I'd much rather haul the pictured system with a laptop GPU and CPU (Intel Core i7-13700HX and mobile GeForce4070) than any desktop system.Kids (teens included) and women want slimmer laptops.
Real men like us don't mind hauling around powerful DTRs!
Much better than trying to move a 10+ KG heavy desktop around.
Legacy cruft aside desktop/tower PC's offer far more upgrade or maintenance value vs other options.And this is why I am not PCMR-guy.
Technically Athlon 64 was unchallenged for 3 years.View attachment 95635
Snapdragon X Elite is going to be unchallenged for 6 months.
People want: laptops, while desktop, DIY is dying, and selling less and less. Only the highest, of highest end is still living, and maybe not growing, but maintaining its marketshare.Yeah probably. Though 99% of the audience wants a laptop. Or maybe not 99% but a lot of them.