Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Lisa - "We're seeing faster ramp up and more designs than Hawk in the same timeframe"

@adroc_thurston "They wouldn’t be getting so many design wins if the product wasn't good."

That's a very strong line-up. Even managed to get some ASUS ProArt wins (Usually Intel dominated). Lenovo, HP, Dell and Acer will probably follow with huge portfolio of design wins for Strix. Computex will be nice.

Here are 17 laptop variants that should promptly be replaced by Strix Halo variants in 2025.

Yet I bet we'll still be seeing OEMs pairing a 40CU Strix Halo with a RTX4060 8GB because people won't think it plays games unless it has a geforce in it.
 

Thibsie

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If this is confirmed and gets a reliable, readable scheme, that's it, I'm happy.
Apart from the obvious "AI" moronic sticker, but hey, I'll take "AI HX 170" over "8050HX" any day. Faster, simpler, clearer, just increment the last number to get a refresh out.
All I asked for.
Its ridiculous.
Here are 17 laptop variants that should promptly be replaced by Strix Halo variants in 2025.

Yet I bet we'll still be seeing OEMs pairing a 40CU Strix Halo with a RTX4060 8GB because people won't think it plays games unless it has a geforce in it.
As usual.
 

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That's a very strong line-up. Even managed to get some ASUS ProArt wins (Usually Intel dominated). Lenovo, HP, Dell and Acer will probably follow with huge portfolio of design wins for Strix. Computex will be nice.
All things considered, I'm not really sure of why they'd put Strix Point along with a 4050. It's a 20 SM part, it should be a tiny improvement in power. 4060 and up I can understand, but this one is strange.
 

Timorous

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It is sane and clean, provided that it is indeed Gen - Tier - Rev. The previous one was absurd.
I'm pleased.

It gives less information. Condensing a lot of attributes into a relatively simple name is always a trade off and I think the Year - Tier - Arch - Feature Isolation - TDP bracket is a decent compromise that informs end users while keeping OEMs happy by having a digit they can increment year on year.
 

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All things considered, I'm not really sure of why they'd put Strix Point along with a 4050. It's a 20 SM part, it should be a tiny improvement in power. 4060 and up I can understand, but this one is strange.
Nah the 4050 still earns it's spot imo. The performance in games should be higher enough to be worth consideration. For the ProArt devices, access to CUDA is probably enough of a selling point on it's own TBH.
 

Mahboi

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It gives less information. Condensing a lot of attributes into a relatively simple name is always a trade off and I think the Year - Tier - Arch - Feature Isolation - TDP bracket is a decent compromise that informs end users while keeping OEMs happy by having a digit they can increment year on year.
Not going to repeat myself.
 

Mahboi

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Nah the 4050 still earns it's spot imo. The performance in games should be higher enough to be worth consideration. For the ProArt devices, access to CUDA is probably enough of a selling point on it's own TBH.
20SMs, 6Go, vs RDNA 3.5 16CUs?
Although I guess that it'll probably be less CUs. I wonder if AMD offers to have them all deactivated save for 2 to drive a monitor.
And yeah, CUDA is the argument I guess.
It’s GeForce bro. Just 20 more SMs bro. OEMs just need a green sticker bro.
Bro, bro.
 

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I have some random thoughts:
- 5.1 GHz boost? That's on Phoenix level and very slightly lower than Hawk Point. Not sure there will be an higher clocked part.
- HX moniker seems to point out these will be 45-55W parts. Kinda expected because there are more cores, more capability per core and a better GPU on basically the same process.
- NPU lost 5 TOPS compared to the rumors, maybe for limiting consumption. Not a big deal, but Intel stans are already pointing out that LNL will have "100+ TOPS so Strix Point is useless". When performance should be measured on the field with all applications
- GPU clock is still unknown. Depending on the clock rate we could see from +33% to almost double the theoretical performance of the 780M, of course real performance will be quite BW limited in many scenarios
 

Hitman928

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It gives less information. Condensing a lot of attributes into a relatively simple name is always a trade off and I think the Year - Tier - Arch - Feature Isolation - TDP bracket is a decent compromise that informs end users while keeping OEMs happy by having a digit they can increment year on year.

Yeah, looks like AMD might be somewhat copying Intel's latest format which will give them the freedom to mix arch. generations into the same model range with no indication of which SKU is what gen. Fun.
 

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I have some random thoughts:
- 5.1 GHz boost? That's on Phoenix level and very slightly lower than Hawk Point. Not sure there will be an higher clocked part.
- HX moniker seems to point out these will be 45-55W parts. Kinda expected because there are more cores, more capability per core and a better GPU on basically the same process.
- NPU lost 5 TOPS compared to the rumors, maybe for limiting consumption. Not a big deal, but Intel stans are already pointing out that LNL will have "100+ TOPS so Strix Point is useless". When performance should be measured on the field with all applications
- GPU clock is still unknown. Depending on the clock rate we could see from +33% to almost double the theoretical performance of the 780M, of course real performance will be quite BW limited in many scenarios

If I had to guess I would suspect that 170 is leaving room for a 180 and 190 part.
 

Timorous

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Yeah, looks like AMD might be somewhat copying Intel's latest format which will give them the freedom to mix arch. generations into the same model range with no indication of which SKU is what gen. Fun.

Indeed. I know some people don't like it but the truth is there is a lot of information to encode when it comes to mobile SKUs so it is practically impossible to come up with a scheme that keeps OEMs happy and also gives the consumer useful information from just the product name that does not have some amount of complexity. It is somewhat unavoidable unless you just use arbitrary numbers which it seems AMD are changing to.
 
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- NPU lost 5 TOPS compared to the rumors, maybe for limiting consumption. Not a big deal, but Intel stans are already pointing out that LNL will have "100+ TOPS so Strix Point is useless". When performance should be measured on the field with all applications
LNL is a different weight class, so who cares.
Besides, non-meme (aka general purpose) performance matters more anyway.
 

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I have some random thoughts:
- 5.1 GHz boost? That's on Phoenix level and very slightly lower than Hawk Point. Not sure there will be an higher clocked part.
IIRC Zen 5 was originally projected to lose clocks versus Zen 4. Same clocks as PHX is actually quite excellent. It's a much bigger core.
- HX moniker seems to point out these will be 45-55W parts. Kinda expected because there are more cores, more capability per core and a better GPU on basically the same process.
Frankly 55W on a 12 core with 16 CUs is nothing short of miraculous if it's not power starved.
- NPU lost 5 TOPS compared to the rumors, maybe for limiting consumption. Not a big deal, but Intel stans are already pointing out that LNL will have "100+ TOPS so Strix Point is useless". When performance should be measured on the field with all applications
Has it?
I seem to recall that the 50 TOPS goal was set by MS. I don't recall any leaker stating that 50 TOPS was AMD's goal, I do remember 45 TOPS though? Maybe it's just my memory failng me.
- GPU clock is still unknown. Depending on the clock rate we could see from +33% to almost double the theoretical performance of the 780M, of course real performance will be quite BW limited in many scenarios
I expect 33% CUs + 20% broad improvement in clocks (at least). So I'd bet around 60% more perf.
 

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Interesting. I don't see in the link what the poster on X shows in the screenshot. Either they fixed the leak or something is fishy. . .

What I see:



What was posted:




Font seems to be different and they've duplicated the AMD Ryzen AI branding for the CPU name and combined TOPs naming. The row order isn't the same either but maybe they cropped the parts they didn't care about. Not sure, but seems fishy.
 

Mahboi

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Z2 Ultra Extreme XTX would make just as much sense at this point.
Just advertise it with the F Zero X OST and you're set to go.
(yeah it's ridiculous, so just own it and ride the cringe like it's the 90s)
People moan about new things then later realise they actually had something good and regret moaning about it.
I hope I truly get what I want. I just need confirmation that it's really Gen/Tier/Rev. Could just as well be Year/Tier/Rev or something absurd. I don't have any hopes for AMD until I see the presentation.
Come on Lisa, knock it out of the Earth.
 

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GPU clock is still unknown. Depending on the clock rate we could see from +33% to almost double the theoretical performance of the 780M, of course real performance will be quite BW limited in many scenarios
From a "certain someone", Strix 16 CU does >4150 on TimeSpy. 12 CU does >3000 TS while using 22 - 23W.
5.1 GHz boost? That's on Phoenix level and very slightly lower than Hawk Point. Not sure there will be an higher clocked part.
Kepler said on twitter than the clockspeed is wrong. Should be higher.
 

Timorous

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Interesting. I don't see in the link what the poster on X shows in the screenshot. Either they fixed the leak or something is fishy. . .

What I see:

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What was posted:

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Font seems to be different and they've duplicated the AMD Ryzen AI branding for the CPU name and combined TOPs naming. The row order isn't the same either but maybe they cropped the parts they didn't care about. Not sure, but seems fishy.

I clicked through earlier and saw the same as in the tweet but when I clicked on the more info button it was saying 'upto R9 8945HS'.
 
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