So basically everything is new.Two CPU tiles, one GPU tile.
That's it.
Nothing fancy at all.
Final performance will totally depend on achievable clocks and what TDP will be set for Strix Halo.That 40 CU Strix Point GPU should have RX 6700 XT performance.
Roughly...
You make some valid points.With things like FSR, a 40CU Strix Halo should be adequate (but not stellar) for 4K gaming without (or with minimal) RT and maybe manage solid 1080p/1200p with almost everything turned up. Native 1080P/1200P should be decent with modest RT.
I'm still having trouble understanding where this fits in the stack though? The 4060 mobile product is going to be in the same neighborhood as this iGPU, and you can currently get good gaming laptops with a 4060M and an H class CPU for around 1K. Strix Halo is going to be an expensive product (though, it shouldn't be more expensive to implement than a separate CPU and dGPU in an average gaming laptop) due to how laptop makers market their devices. So, it's not going to win on price on the shelf. It's going to be a solid CPU of course, but, there will be others on the market too.
It's likely to require too much power and heat dissipation to go into handhelds. It could function as a replacement SOC in the PS and XBOX as it should best what's in there in every way, though I doubt that it will be as cost effective.
Maybe this is targeted at those compact desktop PCs that are gaining popularity? It shouldn't require a PCIe GPU. It could support TB/USB4 or Occulink and support an eGPU if someone wants to upgrade at a later date. The speculated 120 watts should be manageable from that type of case.
I don't think LPDDR5x will be on CPU package, It will be on board in my opinion.Most likely: Strix Halo should be cheaper and easier to implement, because again, most likely, it will come with LPDDR5X memory on the package.
So you will have one, integrated package to implement in your design.
No.So basically everything is new.
1.) two 8C16T Zen5 CCDs
2.) 40CU RDNA3.5 GCD
3.) IOD including 32MB MALL + some GPU parts like video outputs, video engine and such
Hell no, AMD isn't doing the SKU spam.it will come with LPDDR5X memory on the package.
No it literally costs more since LPDDR tax is high.Strix Halo should be cheaper and easier to implement
No.
Just two CPU tiles and one GPU tile.
That's it.
The Lenovo LOQ 16" with 7840H and 4060 is sold for around $1000-$1100 in the US market. The question is, will Strix Halo provide a notably better gaming experience for that amount of money? Gigabyte and Acer also offer similar laptops in that price range. To avoid running into VRAM limits in modern games, Strix Halo will need at least 32GB of LPDDR5 RAM. That's not going to be cheap, nor will it be upgradeable.You make some valid points.
CPU will be top class, but IGP will be at worst RTX 4060 Laptop level or at best somewhat faster than RTX 4070 laptop. The advantage will be that you won't be limited to only 8GB Vram in theory, but who knows how much RAM will be used with Strix Halo. I hope for at least 48GB, but 64GB would be preferable, I would put 48GB for system and 16GB as Vram.
These are one of the cheapest laptops with Intel 8P+16E and Nvidia in my country with tax included:
Acer Predator Helios Neo 16 - 13900HX, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, RTX 4060 -> 1 789 €
Acer Predator Helios Neo 16 - 13900HX, 32Gb DDR5, 1TB SSD, RTX 4070 -> 2 109 €
Cheapest Strix Halo laptop should end up somewhere in that range to be competitive in my opinion.
For handhelds Strix Halo is too power hungry but we still have Strix Point.
As for being used in PS or Xbox, IGP is not strong enough and CPU looks like an overkill.
edit: I don't think It will be released for desktop considering It needs to use soldered LPDDR5x.
You make some valid points.
CPU will be top class, but IGP will be at worst RTX 4060 Laptop level or at best somewhat faster than RTX 4070 laptop. The advantage will be that you won't be limited to only 8GB Vram in theory, but who knows how much RAM will be used with Strix Halo. I hope for at least 48GB, but 64GB would be preferable, I would put 48GB for system and 16GB as Vram.
Of course It won't. 13900HX + RTX 4600 laptop also doesn't provide better experience despite costing a lot more. You basically pay CPU tax.The Lenovo LOQ 16" with 7840H and 4060 is sold for around $1000-$1100 in the US market. The question is, will Strix Halo provide a notably better gaming experience for that amount of money? Gigabyte and Acer also offer similar laptops in that price range. To avoid running into VRAM limits in modern games, Strix Halo will need at least 32GB of LPDDR5 RAM. That's not going to be cheap, nor will it be upgradeable.
It's got a tough market to sell into.
32 GB of RAM for APUs/SOCs are minimum right now32GB of LPDDR5x is low in my opinion even If Vram is dynamically allocated to IGP, because It is not upgradeable.
Hell no, AMD isn't doing the SKU spam.
For high end system.32 GB of RAM for APUs/SOCs are minimum right now
64 is the optimum .
You think Strix Halo is a mainstream system? Ok, IGP is not comparable to high end, but CPU is TOP class.For high end system.
For more mainstream, 32 GB would be sufficient.
OFC, for Mainstream 32 is enough.For high end system.
For more mainstream, 32 GB would be sufficient.
You think Strix Halo is a mainstream system? Ok, IGP is not comparable to high end, but CPU is TOP class.
Let's not forget about extra RAM requirement for IGP and you can't upgrade It.
48GB looks like a good enough compromise to me.
I can agree with more than a single SKU, but will they really go down to 8 cores?I think the Strix Halo will become a full product line, not just a single SKU. A product line aimed to out compete Intel's chiplet based parts while regular Strix wil aim to outcompete Intel's monolithic mobile products.
If it is a full product line it can have multiple SKUs, including 8 core and 16 core. And if Memory is on package, 2-3 memory configurations.
I suppose that CUs could be cut, either as die harvesting or product differentiation, but I don't see why core counts would be dropped to 14.Strix Halo: 14-16 Zen5, 36CU RDNA3.5, 256-bit LPDDR5x
Never existed.And what happened to I/O die?
All FP10 parts are 256b.Strix Halo: 12 Zen5, 32CU RDNA3.5, 192-bit LPDDR5x
Strix Halo: 10-12 Zen5, 24CU RDNA3.5, 192-bit LPDDR5x
Yes but it's more SKUs. Annoying.There would be advantages in putting memory on package
Arrow-P683 is long dead.AFAIU, Strix Point is supposed to counter Arrow Lake-P
Then what process will that SoC actually use? I don't think It will use N3 and It won't be small either. N4-N5 most likely.Never existed.
It's two CPU tiles and the SOC tile.
If core count can be dropped down to 12 then why not also to 14? CU won't be the only one used for product segmentation.I suppose that CUs could be cut, either as die harvesting or product differentiation, but I don't see why core counts would be dropped to 14.
Then what process will that SoC actually use? I don't think It will use N3.