Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Timorous]

Wait, the 5 in the 8950 means Zen5 now? And 9 i guess means the ryzen 5,7,9 moniker, right?
If yes, how do you differentiate between 12C and 16C that both used 9? I guess by the last of the four numbers - does it mean that replacement of 7950x will be say 8951x and replacement of 7900x will be say 8952x?

It is only for laptops, for desktop I expect the whole 8000 series will be Zen 5.

For laptops it is already mixed. 7840HS is an 8c part but the 7845HX is the 12c part.

HS vs HX means different target markets and form factors though but there might be a bit of cross shopping between those segments so making it even clearer would be useful.

It is tricky though because to include every piece of information would require a 10 digit number, a bit like white good model numbers where you can have 5 Neff Series 50 dishwashers with different features and they all have slightly different model numbers.

I wonder what will happen to 2026 products. That should use 10
Will they be called Ryzen 7 10840HS or Ryzen 9 10845HX for example?
Or they will use Ryzen 7 X840HS or Ryzen 9 X845HX?

They should have started with x0xx being Athlon Silver, x1xx being athlon gold. x2/x3 being Ryzen 3, x4/x5 being ryzen 5, x6/x7 being ryzen 7 and x8/x9 being ryzen 9 so they don't have that crossover on Ryzen 7 7840HS and the Ryzen 9 7845HX. Instead they started the index at 1 so now they have that odd bit.

 

[Timmah!]

Don't think so. Something like that.
Phoenix is for example
Ryzen 7 7840H
Ryzen 7 7840HS
Ryzen 7 7840U
That 9 should mean for what market It is intended or something like that.

edit: Here It is

Thanks, based on this, it seems 7900x replacement might be 8850x and 7950x replacement 8950x. Or alternatively 8950x and 8955x, but i presume the first option is more likely.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

They can go hexadecimal

2026: Ryzen 7 A840HS
2027: Ryzen 7 B840HS
2028: Ryzen 7 C840HS
2029: Ryzen 7 D840HS
2030: Ryzen 7 E840HS
2031: Ryzen 7 F840HS
2032: Ryzen 7 *840HS
So what happens in 2032?

But If It's double hexadecimal, there would be no problem.

edit: That's good for 255 generations, each year a new gen. In the year 2280 we could have Ryzen 7 FF840HS

 

[igor_kavinski]

Thanks, based on this, it seems 7900x replacement might be 8850x and 7950x replacement 8950x.

Why not 8900X?

 

[Timorous]

Thanks, based on this, it seems 7900x replacement might be 8850x and 7950x replacement 8950x. Or alternatively 8950x and 8955x, but i presume the first option is more likely.

The new scheme does not apply to desktop parts.

 

[Timmah!]

The new scheme does not apply to desktop parts.

Then call desktop parts 9000 series

 

[eek2121]

Mendocino is still not released in any mini pc form, you can't be so sure. Mini PC manufacturers only adopt the mass market chips.

You are likely correct. However, that is because AMD is still selling Cezanne chips dirt cheap.

The new scheme does not apply to desktop parts.

Yet.

FWIW I happen to like the naming scheme. They could probably kill off Ryzen 3/5/7/9 if they executed right, and I do wonder what happens with zen 10, but…

 

[linkgoron]

not really.

8x20 may or may not exist. but if it does it will be Zen 2.
8x30 will be Zen 3
8x40 will be Zen 4
8x50 will be Zen 5

RDNA2 vs RDNA3 vs RDNA 3.5 iGPUs will be 600 or 700 or 800 on the GPU spec so that is also pretty clear.

The biggest issue with be something like an 8740 vs an 8550 in the same product range but really it just means the former has an nT advantage and the latter a sT advantage unless AMD totally bork the Ryzen 3,5,7,9 branding, which is always possible. The other option is that there won't be an 8740 and 8550 within the same product range as they target different segments so that cross shop may not even be especially valid.

That is totally bonkers, if you think that the average consumer will understand the difference between RDNA 3.5 and RDNA 3. Stuff like Ryzen 5 8550 vs Ryzen 7 8740? I can only assume that they'll make it easier by not having Zen 3 or 4 as 7 parts. I'm not sure how common it is today, but I know of several people who bought inferior graphics cards because they had more memory than a better one with a lower amount of memory.

 

[Thibsie]

That is totally bonkers, if you think that the average consumer will understand the difference between RDNA 3.5 and RDNA 3. Stuff like Ryzen 5 8550 vs Ryzen 7 8740? I can only assume that they'll make it easier by not having Zen 3 or 4 as 7 parts. I'm not sure how common it is today, but I know of several people who bought inferior graphics cards because they had more memory than a better one with a lower amount of memory.

Of course. And how many bought mobile i7 with 10 cores... Only 2 P cores lol. What's that for an i7 huh ?

The reality is that any naming scheme will be a problem. They just have to try to have the less odd one if possible.

 

[trivik12]

AMD needs to simplify their laptop cpu portfolio. There are too many architectures in parallel getting sold now. Its now from Zen 2(Mendocino) to Zen 3/Zen3+/Zen 4. By the time Strix Point releases next year, they are adding Zen 5 to this list !!! If you go to any retailer they mostly hold laptops with lower end cpus. This is not optimal way to grow marketshare.

 

[Joe NYC]

AMD needs to simplify their laptop cpu portfolio. There are too many architectures in parallel getting sold now. Its now from Zen 2(Mendocino) to Zen 3/Zen3+/Zen 4. By the time Strix Point releases next year, they are adding Zen 5 to this list !!! If you go to any retailer they mostly hold laptops with lower end cpus. This is not optimal way to grow marketshare.

AMD has too many architectures for 15% market share, but not too many for 85% market share.

 

[jpiniero]

AMD needs to simplify their laptop cpu portfolio. There are too many architectures in parallel getting sold now. Its now from Zen 2(Mendocino) to Zen 3/Zen3+/Zen 4. By the time Strix Point releases next year, they are adding Zen 5 to this list !!! If you go to any retailer they mostly hold laptops with lower end cpus. This is not optimal way to grow marketshare.

It is unclear if they will rebrand Mendochino or Cezanne at this point.

And the whole point of this naming scheme was because OEMs wanted Cezanne and not Phoenix or Rembrandt. Yet didn't want it to look old.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It is unclear if they will rebrand Mendochino

Yes.

or Cezanne at this point.

P sure it's dead 2025 onwards.

was because OEMs wanted Cezanne and not Phoenix or Rembrandt

Well, AMD just had no modern DDR4 chip, unlike Intel.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I have heard good things about Zen 5. Will AMD push up the timeline for the Zen 5 release by a few months?

 

[Goop_reformed]

I have heard good things about Zen 5. Will AMD push up the timeline for the Zen 5 release by a few months?

Charlie from semi said amd is paper launching zen 5 in early december, 6-8th perhaps

 

[adroc_thurston]

Charlie from semi said amd is paper launching zen 5 in early december, 6-8th perhaps

No, 6th is Hawk Point (Phoenix rebrand basically).
And MI300, which is the more relevant part right now.

 

[Goop_reformed]

No, 6th is Hawk Point (Phoenix rebrand basically).
And MI300, which is the more relevant part right now.

Oops, you right it's phoenix and mi300.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Charlie from semi said amd is paper launching zen 5 in early december, 6-8th perhaps

Mucho mucho kisses if true

adroc, care for a kiss?

 

[Ajay]

And MI300, which is the more relevant part right now.

Definitely, especially after reading the transcript of the last earnings call. It's AI everything!

 

[FlameTail]

Any guesses for Strix Point die size?

According to rumours it will be on N4P node (so no density gains), have 12 Zen5 cores, 24 MB L3, 16 RDNA 3.5 CUs, and a beefier AI engine.

Will the die size exceed 200 mm²?

 

[Kepler_L2]

Any guesses for Strix Point die size?

According to rumours it will be on N4P node (so no density gains), have 12 Zen5 cores, 16 RDNA 3.5 CUs, and a beefier AI engine.

Will the die size exceed 200 mm²?

225 IIRC

 

[Joe NYC]

225 IIRC

I am curious how much silicon will go into a Meteor Lake...

 

[rtxtwt]

I have heard good things about Zen 5. Will AMD push up the timeline for the Zen 5 release by a few months?

Very likely Zen5 DT would be released in April, and Strixpoint at Computex.

 

[FlameTail]

225 IIRC

Holy Chip

 

[adroc_thurston]

and Strixpoint at Computex.

A wee bit (like a few weeks) later.

Will the die size exceed 200 mm²?

Yea it's a bit bigger than RMB.

It's AI everything!

It's only AI everything if you can compete with nVidia which no one but AMD really can.