Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[itsmydamnation]

Is that specifically a characteristic of RDNA?

No its a trait of intermediate renderers, not that modern AMD/NV are true intermediate renderers any more. Tile based renderers are supposed to be more cache friendly , but as i said before the lines are really blurry these days. AMD/NV started to become dynamic ? renderers somewhere around maxwell / GCN 1.x.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Yes. That. LLC in the form of an SLC.

Was planned but then MSFT did MSFT things.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Was planned but then MSFT did MSFT things.

What is MSFT?

 

[moinmoin]

What is MSFT?

That's Microsoft's stock symbol.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Is that specifically a characteristic of RDNA?

Intel Iris Pro 5200 Graphics Review: Core i7-4950HQ Tested

www.anandtech.com

I find it very interesting that Intel made their eDRAM 128MB in size and effectively made it futureproof for several years into the future. Too bad their iGPU at that time wasn't good enough to demolish low end GPUs from AMD and the other player that failed at designing a fireproof connector.

 

[Timmah!]

Should i expect Zen5 reveal in few days during CES? Or not happening until Computex later this year?

 

[Hitman928]

Should i expect Zen5 reveal in few days during CES? Or not happening until Computex later this year?

I'd be surprised if they don't have something on Zen5 at CES, but meaningful information I don't know. If, as some have suggested, Zen5 will launch during spring time, then Computex would be too late to hear about it and I would expect solid info at CES. If they aren't launching until end of 1H24, then Computex would be the perfect time to do a full announcement.

 

[FlameTail]

I'd be surprised if they don't have something on Zen5 at CES, but meaningful information I don't know. If, as some have suggested, Zen5 will launch during spring time, then Computex would be too late to hear about it and I would expect solid info at CES. If they aren't launching until end of 1H24, then Computex would be the perfect time to do a full announcement.

I think Strix Point is what will be announced at Computex. According to the leaked roadmap, it will come in mid-2024, so perfectly in time for Computex?

Then Zen 5 should come earlier than that, so I guess CES yes.

 

[Ajay]

I think Strix Point is what will be announced at Computex. According to the leaked roadmap, it will come in mid-2024, so perfectly in time for Computex?

Then Zen 5 should come earlier than that, so I guess CES yes.

CES *seems* early, so I wonder if AMD will hold their own special event.

 

[moinmoin]

AMD has an event on January 8th at 7am PST/ 9am CST/ 10am EST / 3pm GMT:

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/events/ces.html

Appears to be a repeat of the last AI focused event, but could possibly include some new announcements.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Should i expect Zen5 reveal in few days during CES? Or not happening until Computex later this year?

April.

 

[Hitman928]

AMD has an event on January 8th at 7am PST/ 9am CST/ 10am EST / 3pm GMT:

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/events/ces.html

Appears to be a repeat of the last AI focused event, but could possibly include some new announcements.

Looks like AMD doesn't have a keynote session this year so I don't expect there will be meaningful Zen5 info to come out of CES. They will probably have some invite only, closed door session where they show some stuff but probably nothing for the public.

 

[Kaffeekenan]

Looks like AMD doesn't have a keynote session this year so I don't expect there will be meaningful Zen5 info to come out of CES. They will probably have some invite only, closed door session where they show some stuff but probably nothing for the public.

They have a session on January the 8th.

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/events/ces.html

 

[Hitman928]

They have a session on January the 8th.

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/events/ces.html

That's not a keynote.

List of keynote sessions are here: https://www.ces.tech/sessions-events/keynotes.aspx

 

[rtxtwt]

Should i expect Zen5 reveal in few days during CES? Or not happening until Computex later this year?

Since these companies are all about AI recently I don't know if there would be any forecast reveal about Zen5 client at CES, maybe it would be released all of a sudden in the coming months? Client cpu is the least important thing right now. All I know is mass production has been started and produced smallish amount of Zen5 cpus two months ago.

 

[Thibsie]

Since these companies are all about AI recently I don't know if there would be any forecast reveal about Zen5 client at CES, maybe it would be released all of a sudden in the coming months? Client cpu is the least important thing right now. All I know is mass production has been started and produced smallish amount of Zen5 cpus two months ago.

From a revenue PoV, clearly.
From a marketing PoV though, it is different. And AMD can't benefit so much from Radeon image than Nvidia with RTX.

 

[Hans Gruber]

It's in AMD's best interest to release Zen5 ASAP. Intel has a better IPC, bad power efficiency and Intel has 20A coming later in the year. It's also in AMD's interest to scrap APU's and put in really good RDNA3 Integrated graphics with their Zen5 CPU's. I hope they go back to 65w and 105w TDP for Zen5. That is the sweet spot for power efficiency.

 

[igor_kavinski]

All I know is mass production has been started and produced smallish amount of Zen5 cpus two months ago.

Why smallish amount? Some production related hiccups?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

It's in AMD's best interest to release Zen5 ASAP. Intel has a better IPC, bad power efficiency and Intel has 20A coming later in the year. It's also in AMD's interest to scrap APU's and put in really good RDNA3 Integrated graphics with their Zen5 CPU's. I hope they go back to 65w and 105w TDP for Zen5. That is the sweet spot for power efficiency.

I think they know better than you what they should or shouldn't do.
BTW, didn't you hear about Strix Halo? There you will get a pretty strong IGP, but you should expect 100W or higher TDP.

 

[Markfw]

It's in AMD's best interest to release Zen5 ASAP. Intel has a better IPC, bad power efficiency and Intel has 20A coming later in the year. It's also in AMD's interest to scrap APU's and put in really good RDNA3 Integrated graphics with their Zen5 CPU's. I hope they go back to 65w and 105w TDP for Zen5. That is the sweet spot for power efficiency.

Better IPC in what vs what chip ? desktop, NO, server NO, HEDT NO, laptop (7840u vs several different Intel) NO. Care to qualify that ?

 

[jpiniero]

Since these companies are all about AI recently I don't know if there would be any forecast reveal about Zen5 client at CES

Yeah it's probably just desktop Phoenix and maybe the 7600 XT if it really exists.

 

[StefanR5R]

I hope they go back to 65w and 105w TDP for Zen5. That is the sweet spot for power efficiency.

Several parts with 65 W and 105 W default TDP¹ exist in the Ryzen 7000 line, and the Ryzen PRO 7000 line consists entirely of parts with 65 W default TDP. Also, there is still ECO mode and the ability to reconfigure TDP and PPT limit yourself.
As for Zen 5, per-core power budgets which make most sense in given scenarios are bound to go up from Zen 4 to 5 due to the latter's wider microarchitecture.

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¹) a.k.a. 88 W and 142 W default PPT limit

 

[H433x0n]

Better IPC in what vs what chip ? desktop, NO, server NO, HEDT NO, laptop (7840u vs several different Intel) NO. Care to qualify that ?

It does but it’s really close, you can basically say Specint is a wash but Intel is slightly ahead in Specfp.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel has 20A coming later in the year.

20a is already out. It's Meteor Lake. We won't see anything else on 20a. My mistake. I saw 20a and thought it was Intel 4. Wires got crossed.

 

[Hitman928]

20a is already out. It's Meteor Lake. We won't see anything else on 20a.

Eh? MTL is Intel 4. . .