Pohemi
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Because Trans athletes do not have some magical advantage over their cis-gendered peers. The idea that they do is just more rhetorical FUD and bullshit.Why?
Because Trans athletes do not have some magical advantage over their cis-gendered peers. The idea that they do is just more rhetorical FUD and bullshit.Why?
From a recent trip, that's not entirely true. In places more space-constrained, there were often just two stalls with a shared sink. In less space-constrained places, they still had separate bathrooms. I've seen this enough in the US too to say that it is not a rare arrangement.In Europe they have unisex bathrooms. We can switch to those and have all stalls.
I disagree. IMO, a transgender woman most certainly has an advantage in cisgender female sports. You can argue all you want but I believe that. I just read an article about a transwoman who blew away the weightlift record for some cis-females event. So, yeah.Because Trans athletes do not have some magical advantage over their cis-gendered peers. The idea that they do is just more rhetorical FUD and bullshit.
In other words, it doesn't matter what you might discover showing you otherwise...you "believe" it, so your opinion on it will not change.I disagree. IMO, a transgender woman most certainly has an advantage in cisgender female sports. You can argue all you want but I believe that.
I am always open to facts, and will change my belief on anything. But, right now no certified, reputable expert or agency dares touch this topic for fear of liberal backlash. You seem to be taking this personally so lets just not, ok?In other words, it doesn't matter what you might discover showing you otherwise...you "believe" it, so your opinion on it will not change.
Did I get that right?
FWIW, the USAF has been studying this and continues to do so, stating that there's a lack of studies on the matter. The Army may be too, but I don't really follow what the crayon-eaters are doing.I am always open to facts, and will change my belief on anything. But, right now no certified, reputable expert or agency dares touch this topic for fear of liberal backlash. You seem to be taking this personally so lets just not, ok?
I am always open to facts, and will change my belief on anything. But, right now no certified, reputable expert or agency dares touch this topic for fear of liberal backlash. You seem to be taking this personally so lets just not, ok?
I’m a straight white man in a fucking wheelchair. My wife and I march straight into the woman's bathroom if we can't find a family bathroom in the facility we’re visiting. She’d probably get some looks if we did that in the men's room!
Prove it.I am always open to facts, and will change my belief on anything. But, right now no certified, reputable expert or agency dares touch this topic for fear of liberal backlash. You seem to be taking this personally so lets just not, ok?
Literally millions of people give a fuck.Who gives a flying fuck. All bathrooms should be unisex
"That has got to be the most ridiculous load of pig crap I have ever seen!"
I have two transgender men in my circles, young and leftists, and they too is "yea but...". Its not an easy fix.I will point out that it depends. I think the struggle in sports is it is a grey area and where do you draw the line. No matter where that line or cutoff is there are going to be unhappy individuals. The goal, in my opinion, is to be as fair to as many people as possible. In this case there is going to be exceptions no matter how we approach this.
For example, people look at testosterone as a key driver. While testosterone is a key driver in muscle and bone mass, women can also have varying degrees of testosterone despite being female at birth. PCOS individuals can have a marked increase in testosterone and even into male ranges. They have a distinct advantage. Should they be removed?
Another example, an intersex individual - they are born male, but on their history they are XX. The SRY gene got pushed to one of the X's. They identify as female. Their testosterone levels are mildly elevated as their gonads are not fully developed but they want to participate in sports.
Another scenario, a transgender individual who has not reached puberty or is on puberty blocking medications who wants to play sports.
I personally struggle with Lia Thomas and I am transgender. While I am a woman, I also realize my body developed down a male pathway and as a consequence I developed "advantages" during puberty. Being on HRT will drop a lot of those advantages, but not all of them. I personally think the debate will continue on for some time. I believe transgender individuals should be allowed in sports but with caveats.
Like I said, no matter where the line is drawn someone is going to be unhappy.
Well that’s just false too. There has been research done and frankly it depends on a whole bunch of different factors.I am always open to facts, and will change my belief on anything. But, right now no certified, reputable expert or agency dares touch this topic for fear of liberal backlash. You seem to be taking this personally so lets just not, ok?
Refitting the snowflake stalls with floor drains may be cost-prohibitive.Maybe there *should* be three stalls.
1. Men
2. Women
3. Snowflakes
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?Prove it.
Prove your claim.
Prove that literally millions of reputable government employees are scared of "liberal backlash".
Prove anyone in America is scared of "liberal backlash".
Were the proud boys scared when they stormed the capital?
Were they scared when they ran down liberals at a protest?