I can finally make this thread.
Phoenix is indeed RDNA3. My advice to everyone: treat the old APU rumours as being out of date.
Phoenix is indeed RDNA3. My advice to everyone: treat the old APU rumours as being out of date.
No, just my mistake.
I didn't pay attention to that.Only one memory stick/Single Channel, this is proper nonsense for iGPU gaming. Accidental or even intentional, it is difficult to judge what the mentioned Youtuber was thinking.Of the 8500G would be interesting to see much much bandwidth impacts the performance because if it can get that sort of performance with 16GB single channel DDR5-5200/5600 then we are talking.
4 x 32 bit = 2 x 64 bit.I didn't pay attention to that.Only one memory stick/Single Channel, this is proper nonsense for iGPU gaming. Accidental or even intentional, it is difficult to judge what the mentioned Youtuber was thinking.
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Back on topic: These are primarily for OEMs and big S.I.s. The typical tech site forum dweller is definitely not the target market.
That bandwidth ain't checking out with the math:I didn't pay attention to that.Only one memory stick/Single Channel, this is proper nonsense for iGPU gaming. Accidental or even intentional, it is difficult to judge what the mentioned Youtuber was thinking.
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If we compare what we see.
One stick 16GB DDR5 5200mhz.
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32GB DDR5 6000mhz.
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Multiply by 2 for dual channel.(6000 Mbps ÷8) × 128 bit = 96 GB/s
CAMM2 is also a possibility. It supports both DDR5 and LPDDR5/5X (making it socketable)
JEDEC Publishes New CAMM2 Memory Module Standard | JEDEC
www.jedec.org
RAM is upgradable for the Mobo above too.
Maybe not the original owner but when it gets sold to someone else for a fraction of its original price, the new owner may want to extend its life a bit more with a RAM upgrade. Soldering RAM on mainstream PCs would be a very shortsighted move. Some OEMs like ASUS already solder RAM in some of their cheaper models but then provide a vacant RAM slot too. If OEMs want to save costs, they can do it this way, without being anti-consumer.Point being is that lots of people never upgrade their RAM, meaning OEMs could just solder it on and be done with it. That would smooth the transition to on-package RAM ala M1/M2/M3, assuming anyone else goes in that direction for mobile/embedded chips. And it would lower BoM for OEMs.
128bit is dual channel.Multiply by 2 for dual channel.
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I dont know what the youtuber was using.I didn't pay attention to that.Only one memory stick/Single Channel, this is proper nonsense for iGPU gaming. Accidental or even intentional, it is difficult to judge what the mentioned Youtuber was thinking.
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If we compare what we see.
One stick 16GB DDR5 5200mhz.
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32GB DDR5 6000mhz.
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Dell is the one actually pushing LPCAMM2. OEMs don’t like doing work for money. They want users to pay $400 for a $35 RAM upgrade that can be attached for $0.50 in labor. Soldering means more complexity and more work.Point being is that lots of people never upgrade their RAM, meaning OEMs could just solder it on and be done with it. That would smooth the transition to on-package RAM ala M1/M2/M3, assuming anyone else goes in that direction for mobile/embedded chips. And it would lower BoM for OEMs.
More like you reduce costs by producing 1 board instead of making 1 board and produce 4 variations of it, having to guess what is going to sell more.Dell is the one actually pushing LPCAMM2. OEMs don’t like doing work for money. They want users to pay $400 for a $35 RAM upgrade that can be attached for $0.50 in labor. Soldering means more complexity and more work.
Where is my Threadripper APU, AMD????
I want mobile Threadripper! 96 cores with a 80CU GPU at 54W! 🤣
Actually, I am surprised they haven’t tried something like a mobile version of Threadripper to compete with the M2 Ultra.
It would be an improvement now, before this point it did not. The 5700G would petty much max out using dual rank memory, i even at 3200 the diference with 3600 was minimal. IF it were the full 11CU that raven ridge originally had at 2Ghz instead of just 8, THEN the memory may have been too slow for it.Even triple channel DDR5 would be a huge improvement for APUs. The big boys can enjoy their hexachannel and 12-channel setups. This dual channel crap for mainstream needs to end.
CAMM no, LPCAMM2 maybe.Anyone else remember when AMD used side-port memory on the MB for the IGP, the 700 Series chipsets (780G etc) where even 128MB would barely move the needle. Triple/Quad Channel DDR5 might help but I can't see 2x CAMM modules on an ITX board unless one goes on the rear.
LPCAMM2 allows you to have quad channel memory chips with two memory banks.Anyone else remember when AMD used side-port memory on the MB for the IGP, the 700 Series chipsets (780G etc) where even 128MB would barely move the needle. Triple/Quad Channel DDR5 might help but I can't see 2x CAMM modules on an ITX board unless one goes on the rear.
LPCAMM2 allows you to have quad channel memory chips with two memory banks.
I believe Dell designed this this way, for very good reason of future products, that involve brand that has letters "A", "M", "D" in their name.
You are talking about the same thing as I have written, only in a more detailed way.LPCAMM2 is a 128 bit interface, so it is the equivalent of dual channel DDR. Maybe call it 2.5 channel given that it can use chips clocked marginally higher than DIMMs (e.g. 7500 this year, 8500 next, 9600 in 2026)
So you will need two LPCAMM2 slots if you're expecting to match triple channel DDR let alone quad channel.
You are talking about the same thing as I have written, only in a more detailed way.
If single LPCAMM2 module is 128 bit bus, then how wide memory bus comes from TWO MEMORY BANKS?
A) 167
B) 192
C) 256
D) Over 9000!