Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Doug S

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Legacy cruft aside desktop/tower PC's offer far more upgrade or maintenance value vs other options.

Framework is the first major market laptop OEM with that kind of versatility.

Sure they do. But that's something a minority of the market has any concern for. The overwhelming majority of PCs never have a single part changed or added post sale. There will always be a market for tower style PCs that have plenty of ability to upgrade/expand/repair over time. But that's not what most people need, the only reason that's still almost the entire desktop market (outside Apple) is because that's the only choice people are given.

All the integrated solutions that come in a small form factor like a Mac Mini cost significantly more than building an equivalently performing system via parts let alone buying a prebuilt tower style PC from discount OEM. I've never understood why, it seems like there is a big opportunity out there for someone who wants to take market share because it isn't any more expensive and the reason laptops have taken bigger share is because people don't want a big ass tower taking up space.

Sure a small company trying to sell SFFs has a lot more overhead per unit so the high pricing is to be expected, but it seems like an opening for say Amazon to create a branded line of a handful of standard configs of integrated SFF PCs. They make tablets, and tried to make phones, why did they never do it with PCs? Maybe we will see this if ARM PCs gain traction.

Upgradeable laptops have the opposite problem. That's not how they've ever been sold, and trying to shoehorn those into a market where there is almost no demand is never going to be more than a tiny niche of the market. They are moving the opposite way, with fewer laptops able to upgrade graphics or even memory when both used to be nearly universal in the past.
 

Fjodor2001

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Based on past track record, I think adroc is a false prophet. No comment from him regarding why his original April 2024 release date for Zen5 DT is no longer valid. No comment regarding whether Computex 2024 is the new release date for in store availability, or just an announcement.

Also, no comment regarding if the 30+ % IPC increase claim is still valid, and if so using what performance benchmark.

I’m expecting him to continue making claims in this thread, and then disappear once AMD finally releases Zen5 DT officially.

Maybe he’ll then resurface in the Zen6 thread (likely using different user name), and the process will start all over. I’m expecting a new fan crowd, and lots of dead certain claims without any solid evidence.
 

gdansk

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I'm the real Nostradamus and I called for a Computex 2024 announcement months ago. But my prophecies are ignored. Woe is me.

In any case I, Nostradamus, doubt any announcement of desktop parts before Computex.

What does that have to do with Zen 5? I'm not sure. It is what it is regardless of what people here say.
 
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adroc_thurston

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No comment from him regarding why his original April 2024
That was the announcement, actual availability is always +1mo.
Shift dates now.
Also, no comment regarding if the 30+ % IPC increase claim is still valid, and if so using what performance benchmark.
I'm pretty sure SIR2017 is a Very Specific Thing.
No comment regarding whether Computex 2024 is the new release date for in store availability, or just an announcement.
AMD doesn't do post-keynote availability. Don't think anyone does.
I understand you're upset over the lack of moar coarz from AMD.
Stop being poor and learn how 2 afford a Threadripper.
Cheers!
 

Markfw

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That was the announcement, actual availability is always +1mo.
Shift dates now.

I'm pretty sure SIR2017 is a Very Specific Thing.

AMD doesn't do post-keynote availability. Don't think anyone does.
I understand you're upset over the lack of moar coarz from AMD.
Stop being poor and learn how 2 afford a Threadripper.
Cheers!
Or ebay and Genoas ! I have 5 Genoas, including the 96 core monster in a retail chip ! (for $4315 I think it was)

edit:

Order date:Apr 13, 2023 Order total:US $4,363.52

Edit2: The motherboard was almost $800, and the 12 channel memory was over $1000. So about $7-8k including drives, psu etc...

But according to several sites "its the fastest cpu on the planet"

and now its gone down to $2,745 retail !

 
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maddie

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I'm the real Nostradamus and I called for a Computex 2024 announcement months ago. But my prophecies are ignored. Woe is me.



What does that have to do with Zen 5? I'm not sure. It is what it is regardless of what people here say.
Nah, more a Cassandra, I'd say.
 

Fjodor2001

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That was the announcement, actual availability is always +1mo.
Shift dates now.

I'm pretty sure SIR2017 is a Very Specific Thing.

AMD doesn't do post-keynote availability. Don't think anyone does.
I understand you're upset over the lack of moar coarz from AMD.
Stop being poor and learn how 2 afford a Threadripper.
Cheers!
So as expected, nothing of what you have claimed so far has turned out to be accurate. Yet you claimed you were dead certain about it. Pretty clear you have just been speculating all along. Then adjust the prophecy as new information becomes available.

I’d recommend you fire up the Zen6 speculation thread instead already now.
 

adroc_thurston

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So as expected, nothing of what you have claimed so far has turned out to be accurate. Yet you claimed you were dead certain about it. Pretty clear you have just been speculating all along. Then adjust the prophecy as new information becomes available.
You really need to spend less time fighting boogeymen and more earning $999 for 9950X.
 

Thunder 57

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You really need to spend less time fighting boogeymen and more earning $999 for 9950X.

I've questioned you for awhile. I've been in wait and see mode before I determine if you are full of it or not. Your time is almost out IMHO, and it seems others are tired of your seemingly baseless predictions at this point.

But hey, you keep doing you and telling people how they need to earn more money for buy a $999 9950X which certaintly won't be the price. Enjoy your last moments of "credibility" by telling people to not be poor. If you are so well off, what are you doing in a war torn country?
 
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adroc_thurston

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You're time is almost out IMHO, and it seems others are tired of your seemingly baseless predictions at this point.
oh you're very upset.
There's no need to be.
which certaintly won't be the price.
I wish I had your optimism but Zen5 brings major ASP hikes across the stack outside of like two KRK1 SKUs which are priced very aggressively for reasons you'll get to figure out yourself.
If you are so well off, what are you doing in a war torn country?
a) it's fun
b) I get to pay major $$$ to see annoying people (russians) go splat
It has nothing to do with money or the pricing of Zen 5.
He's upset.
It's cute.
 
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Thunder 57

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Now that's low. Who would flee their country instead of staying to do what they can? It has nothing to do with money or the pricing of Zen 5.

Nah. I am ripping on hime because he has been calling @Fjodor2001 poor needing to find money for Zen 5. Based on the way he talks I very much doubt he is in the Ukraine, where AMD keeps its greatest secrets after all .
 
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adroc_thurston

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I am ripping on hime because he has been calling @Fjodor2001 poor needing to find money for Zen 5.
I'm calling him poor because he's unwilling to spend more money for a lot more cores despite (on paper) needing them all.
Based on the way he talks I very much doubt he is in the Ukraine
боже який додіч.
Again, no need to get upset.
 

tamz_msc

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Back in the days before the launch of Bulldozer, wasn't some actual AMD employee on these forums still trying to convince people that it won't be a turd?
And after launch, was he never heard from again?

Now I'm not saying that the situation is comparable this time around. But perhaps AMD has forgotten about some employee in Ukraine who has in possession confidential Zen5 information that he's drip-feeding on the AT forums?
 

adroc_thurston

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But perhaps AMD has forgotten about some employee in Ukraine who has in possession confidential Zen5 information that he's drip-feeding on the AT forums?
See that's the thing, AMD has extensive channel partnerships and communicates their roadmap and projections very clearly outside of public eye.
 

yuri69

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Back in the days before the launch of Bulldozer, wasn't some actual AMD employee on these forums still trying to convince people that it won't be a turd?
And after launch, was he never heard from again?
AMD's John Fruehe aka JF-AMD was trying to improve the public opinion of an anemic 2 ALU architecture with a shared FPU would bring great IPC gains.
 

adroc_thurston

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AMD's John Fruehe aka JF-AMD was trying to improve the public opinion of an anemic 2 ALU architecture with a shared FPU would bring great IPC gains
ALU count or shared FPU is whatever, Bulldozer died to horrific execution latencies and low bandwidth high latency caches.
The opposite of Zen, yes.
 
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