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  1. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I think you are misunderstanding that sentence. N3B and N3E are both N3 "3 nm", but N3E is an improved version of the 3 nm process for boosts in performance and/or power efficiency. According to the analysts and the experts here, N3B is essentially dead soon. In fact, that's probably partially...
  2. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    ? Are you suggesting the next chip series will also be N3B? If so, you're pretty much the only person that believes this, and no, Mark Gurman didn't claim this.
  3. Question đź‘‘Apple: The OLED Roadmapđź‘‘

    Sounds like informed speculation. Anyhow, rumour has it that BOE tried but failed to meet Apple’s quality metrics for dual-stack tandem OLED the last time around, hence they are not a supplier for these screens for Apple this year. Hopefully they’ve tightened up their manufacturing standards...
  4. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I don't know how accurate this would be, but knowing that the width of the chip is roughly 18-20% wider than the height, I plugged some numbers into this die per wafer calculator, using the default settings for the last 3 variables: 13.22 x 11.11 mm = 146.87 mm2 = 415 dies
  5. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I didn't do any calculations myself, but FWIW, the 146 number was published by Tom's Hardware, referencing a tweet from @Frederic_Orange who counted 415 M3 dies for a 3 nm wafer: https://www.tomshardware.com/software/macos/apple-spent-dollar1-billion-to-tape-out-new-m3-processors-analyst...
  6. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I summarized the die size estimates for the various M series chips here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/apple-silicon-soc-thread.2587205/page-259#post-41200507 M3 is supposed to be around 146-ish mm2 on N3B. >140 anyway. That could suggest a hypothetical M3 on N3E might be over 150 mm2.
  7. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Well, some might argue that M3 (8-core CPU, 8/10-core GPU) would already effectively be A17X, like A12X/Z (8-core CPU, 7/8-core GPU). M3X would be A17XX? ;) BTW, I wonder how much it cost Apple to move A5 from 45 nm to 32 nm. I also wonder how much it cost Apple to split A9 between Samsung 14...
  8. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I read an article on manufacturing somewhere saying a realistic time frame from receipt of chips to laptop units on store shelves in volume is roughly 3 months with large Chinese manufacturers. (This was for laptops not iPad Pros, but I assume it would be similar.) What volume of chips are you...
  9. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    They must have some meaning to Apple of course, but they have not always meant what we thought they meant, because we're just guessing. Educated guessing, but guessing nonetheless. Anyhow, this ID thing has been discussed literally for months now on other forums and several ideas have been...
  10. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    None of that is evidence. As much as I’d like to have an M4 in my potential 2024 iPad Pro (basically just for bragging rights since I don’t need the performance), everything in that report (besides the statement that new iPad Pro models are coming) is just speculation, on top of Mark Gurman’s...
  11. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    It's so strange that you love quoting things that contradict yourself. Just to be clear for those who may have not seen the older posts where this was ALREADY stated: Apple never dropped its M1 Air price to $700. However, also as mentioned before, Apple laptops have frequently gone on sale at...
  12. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Thanks for finding that quote of mine. To quote myself in that very post of mine you linked:: 400 days is just over 13 months 500 days is around 17 months The point is like Macs, Apple wasn't locking itself into a yearly cadence with the iPad Pros. They are willing to extend past a year...
  13. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Stop trying to change the goalposts. I'll quote my own post, one you in fact quoted yourself: BTW, The M1 MacBook Air has been discontinued. The current "low priced" model is the M2 MacBook Air, and the list price is still $999. There still remains no such thing as a MacBook SE.
  14. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I wonder how much cheaper it will be to manufacture M4 on N3E than would be to manufacture M3 on N3B in 2024. M1: 16 billion transistors, 119 mm2, N5 M1 Max: 57 billon transistors, 425 mm2, N5 M2: 20 billion transistors, 142 mm2, N5P M2 Max: 67 billon transistors, ? 510 mm2, N5P M3: 25 billion...
  15. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    You haven't been paying attention. As I've said previously, when Intel had yearly CPU releases, sometimes Apple would adopt those chips yearly, and sometimes they wouldn't, the point being Apple wasn't wedded to a yearly Mac release schedule, even when the chips were available to adopt as...
  16. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    You love jumping to conclusions based on a rumour don't you?
  17. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I said yearly is not necessary since they're Macs and not iPhones, and I still don't believe it will be consistently yearly (although yes it could be after a year occasionally). Personally I don't see why some people are so adamant it has to be yearly. There is no such requirement because the...
  18. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    If you look at my previous post on this, you'll see my belief was there is no strict 12 month cadence or 18 month cadence, but that it would vary between about 12 and 18 months. An M4 release in May 2024 (iPad only or iPad + Macs?) would be interesting, as it is only 9 months, but then again...
  19. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    If true, would M3 being N3B be a reason maybe?
  20. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Servers? What are you guys smoking?
  21. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Gurman's M4 release date predictions already seem to be a bit fluid. Now he is saying that M4 will come around the end of 2024, but only in the 14" MacBook Pro and 24" iMac, and NOT the MacBook Airs. For M4 Pro/Max MacBook Pros, he states they will come end of 2024/early 2025. He also...
  22. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I’m not convinced Apple will upgrade from 8 GB base this year (since 8 GB still actually works fine for light usage), so if they do increase the base memory to 12 GB, that would be a very pleasant and welcome surprise. That would satisfy the needs of entry level users. But like I said, I’m not...
  23. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    It's premature to come to that conclusion. Gurman often is correct with release speculation in terms of hardware, but lately he's been repeatedly off with his timing. For example, the OLED iPad Pros have been predicted for several months now and we still don't have them. His new claim is that...
  24. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I know that LG Display and Samsung Display are making iPad Pro panels, but is BOE also now too? Last I had read is that they weren't included for the iPad Pro. https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=109829 Mind you, this article has the wrong sizing listed: Apple...
  25. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Dual-stack OLEDs can go brighter and yet at the same time have lower risk of burn-in. For people like me, dual-stack OLED may be overkill, but it seems these are targeted at the true creative professionals, where this would actually matter. Related to this, without dual-stack OLED, going from a...
  26. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    US$899 11” 256 GB US$999 13” 256 GB Or at most: US$949 11” 256 GB US$1049 13” 256 GB Meaning that even with OLED, the iPad Pro starts at well below US$1000.
  27. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Sometimes they do, but it’s not necessarily “typical”. They change their storage tier mix from time to time, when it makes sense to do so. Anyhow, the rumours are in overdrive now for new iPad models coming, both for the iPad Air and the iPad Pro, within the next few weeks. I could be wrong...
  28. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    For 128 GB devices, Apple typically offers 256 GB as the next step up. For 64 GB devices, sometimes Apple offers 128 GB as the next step up (in the case of some iPhones), and sometimes Apple offers 256 GB as the next step up (typically for iPads).
  29. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Yup. No MacBook of any kind for US$799 or less retail anytime soon, but the M2 iPad Air will be released to meet those lower price points. However, instead of an M2 iPad Air release at US$599 for 64 GB storage, I think it could get bumped to US$649 with 128 GB storage for the new base model...
  30. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    No, the M2 Air is the low priced model. They won't have a true SE model at least in the next couple of years, as that role is filled by the iPad. As much as I like the 12" size, I don't see them releasing another 11-12" MacBook anytime soon. And even if they did, it wouldn't be $799. And as...
  31. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Interesting you should say that. While not really as a true thin clients, all of my family use our computers as sort of combo thin clients and light computers. Much of their software is web based, with the occasional local application thrown in. I use more local applications than they do, but my...
  32. Question How fast is your browser?

    Well, it does turbo from 1.2 GHz up to 3.0 GHz. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97538/intel-core-m3-7y32-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-00-ghz.html Note that the stock chip's base frequency is 1.1 GHz, but Apple ran it at 1.2 GHz. They both max out at 3.0 GHz though. Kaby...
  33. Question How fast is your browser?

    2017 12" Core m3-7Y32 fanless MacBook, running Ventura 13.6.5 Safari 17.4 Chrome 122 Surfing on the m3 is very obviously slower than the M1, but it's still manageable in 2024.
  34. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Judging by those M1 Pro results, am I correct to assume this test is mainly just single-core? But yeah, reboot and close everything you don't need. Ironically, my MacBook Core m3 did better after I unplugged it, perhaps because the heat from the battery charging affected performance in this...
  35. Question How fast is your browser?

    M1 Mac mini running Sonoma 14.3.1 Safari 17.3.1 - 22.8 Chrome 122 - 26.1
  36. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    My M1 results are consistent with yours: 22.76 (+/-0.18) - M1 Mac mini / Sonoma 14.3.1 / Safari 17.3.1 However, it is consistently faster in Chrome: 26.1 (+/-0.38) - M1 Mac mini / Sonoma 14.3.1 / Chrome 122
  37. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Most of the entry level peasants never cared in the first place. It was already plenty fast for 95% of that market. The complainers were mostly YouTubers, journalists, and forum geeks, despite the fact that most of them would buy the 512 GB model for more storage anyway. That does make me...
  38. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I was in a coffee shop the other day, and saw the weirdest thing. It was a laptop, with another equally sized screen clamped to the top of the laptop screen. At first I wondered if it was a hinged fold out second screen, but then I saw the clamps, and saw it was plugged in via USB. It makes me...
  39. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I guess the one minor silver lining is 16 GB is now considered a standard configuration for the MBA, meaning that you should be able to get 16 GB models Amazon or Costco or whatever, alongside the 8 GB models. Previously they were all 8 GB models. Baby steps.
  40. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Could happen, although I'll go on record to predict that the M4 13" & 15" MBAs will not be updated until WWDC 2025 or summer/fall 2025.
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