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gothuevos

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The person who wrote that article is either very dumb or very naive. It fed your diaper filling narrative though so you didn’t think twice about it.

The most problematic scenario for example, where Biden wins the presidency but Democrats lose the house, assumes that if Johnson tries a legislative coup in response Biden will just be like ‘them’s the breaks, you got me!’ and surrender the presidency to a coup, knowing full well this means the end of democracy.

I never said Biden simply surrenders in that scenario.

But it's a nightmare scenario with no good outcome, which was the point.
 

fskimospy

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I never said Biden simply surrenders in that scenario.

But it's a nightmare scenario with no good outcome, which was the point.
You didn't say it but the guy in your linked article bafflingly assumed it. Like I said, the guy just seems either very dumb or very naive.

As far as no good outcome, hard to see how that's the case. In fact for you it's probably one of the best outcomes. Since you think Republican dictatorship is inevitable and we're all doomed to diaper filling terror that means you believe either dictatorship or conflict is inevitable. If that's the case then best to get it over with while Democrats control the army and federal law enforcement. They probably win!
 

gothuevos

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You didn't say it but the guy in your linked article If that's the case then best to get it over with while Democrats control the army and federal law enforcement. They probably win!

"Control" the army.

How much of it? If you know what I mean.
 

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Assuming a house GOP majority decided to throw out the election and install Trump I really would not have much of a problem with a lot of those people getting shot.

You want to shit can the Constitution and the various protections within then game on my dudes.
 

Pens1566

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Outside of some real serious changes or shenanigans, it's highly unlikely that the GQP retains the house. The only other near certainty is that the WV senate seat will flip.
 
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fskimospy

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Assuming a house GOP majority decided to throw out the election and install Trump I really would not have much of a problem with a lot of those people getting shot.

You want to shit can the Constitution and the various protections within then game on my dudes.
That's basically my point. That scenario as described in the article requires Republicans to basically explicitly say 'no Democrat will ever be president again' and for Biden to surrender to that, all because them's the rules, even though the GOP just threw the rules out.

At that point the rules and the law no longer matter. It's all political and martial power from there on out, and in that case the most favorable scenario is one where you control federal law enforcement and the army.
 

gothuevos

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That's basically my point. That scenario as described in the article requires Republicans to basically explicitly say 'no Democrat will ever be president again' and for Biden to surrender to that, all because them's the rules, even though the GOP just threw the rules out.

At that point the rules and the law no longer matter. It's all political and martial power from there on out, and in that case the most favorable scenario is one where you control federal law enforcement and the army.

So Biden just orders everyone to stand down and we go back to normal?

You realize how irreparable this is? Not to mention the likely bloodshed.
 

fskimospy

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So Biden just orders everyone to stand down and we go back to normal?

You realize how irreparable this is? Not to mention the likely bloodshed.
He informs Congress that if they try that he's not leaving and so they should consider their actions carefully.

It's not irreparable at all. Don't you read any history?
 

K1052

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So Biden just orders everyone to stand down and we go back to normal?

You realize how irreparable this is? Not to mention the likely bloodshed.

Table flipping on this scale is hazardous business and if Republicans think that they're just going to do it an nothing happens then that is their mistake.

If I have to pick between blood and living under a Trumpist dictatorship installed by a corrupt legislature then it's going to be door #1.
 

fskimospy

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Table flipping on this scale is hazardous business and if Republicans think that they're just going to do it an nothing happens then that is their mistake.

If I have to pick between blood and living under a Trumpist dictatorship installed by a corrupt legislature then it's going to be door #1.
Exactly. The dangerous slide into autocracy is best expressed in a passage from 'they thought they were free':

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

In this case that 'great shocking occasion' would absolutely come, as this would be an explicit attempt to seize power and possibly more importantly, an attempt to seize power by overthrowing the current government that controls law enforcement and the army, through a legislative coup that relies on him just giving up.
 

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Outside of some real serious changes or shenanigans, it's highly unlikely that the GQP retains the house. The only other near certainty is that the WV senate seat will flip.
Well here’s hoping definitely the case. It’s very likely neither will get 270 and it will go to the house.
 

eelw

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You have a different definition of "very likely" than I do.
But we’re talking about 2 different but very linked things. I’m talking about 3rd party votes taking away so neither Biden or the orange monkey get 270 EC votes and the decision goes to the house.
 

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But we’re talking about 2 different but very linked things. I’m talking about 3rd party votes taking away so neither Biden or the orange monkey get 270 EC votes and the decision goes to the house.

That would require a 3rd party candidate to actually win a state (or a district in ME/NE). Never gonna happen.
 
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fskimospy

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That would require a 3rd party candidate to actually win a state (or a district in ME/NE). Never gonna happen.
It has been nearly 60 years since the last time a third party candidate won even a single electoral vote and then that was a hyper-factional candidate (George Wallace) who had no national appeal. I see no indication RFK Jr. is anything like that.
 

GodisanAtheist

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So Biden just orders everyone to stand down and we go back to normal?

You realize how irreparable this is? Not to mention the likely bloodshed.

- The "Republicans just seize power" scenario would go down in history is the most retarded fall of an empire of all time.

I mean the absolute chaos, cratering of confidence in all things American (especially the dollar as the reserve currency), etc would basically leave whoever wins that tussle emperor of the ashes.
 

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- The "Republicans just seize power" scenario would go down in history is the most retarded fall of an empire of all time.

I mean the absolute chaos, cratering of confidence in all things American (especially the dollar as the reserve currency), etc would basically leave whoever wins that tussle emperor of the ashes.
Honestly that sounds like a GQP wet dream.
 

gothuevos

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- The "Republicans just seize power" scenario would go down in history is the most retarded fall of an empire of all time.

I mean the absolute chaos, cratering of confidence in all things American (especially the dollar as the reserve currency), etc would basically leave whoever wins that tussle emperor of the ashes.

This is exactly my point and everyone here is like BiDeN wOuLd StOp iT. LOL
 

gothuevos

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Table flipping on this scale is hazardous business and if Republicans think that they're just going to do it an nothing happens then that is their mistake.

If I have to pick between blood and living under a Trumpist dictatorship installed by a corrupt legislature then it's going to be door #1.
With all due respect, I don't think you have the stomach for that. Most of us don't.
 
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